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Post by picturefreak on Mar 31, 2018 1:07:50 GMT -5
I think it is funny a guest is posting about guidelines Again, how does it change the fact that no matter who posts, guest or not, it still looks like you're screaming for attention being larger than any other posts in the thread. One doesn't even need to post to see some people crying for attention over others. Also keep in mind there is an option to disable avatars - then if all of your text is oversized, your text wastes an even higher percentage of screen space compared to everyone else posting.
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Post by dirtgirl (TwinCities,MN) on Mar 31, 2018 2:18:14 GMT -5
Maybe we need to start a new topic..."let's tick off the guest poster" kind of like the old "let's tick off CH" topic on the sitethatshallnotbenamed.
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Post by MidnightSun on Mar 31, 2018 4:09:02 GMT -5
Have seen registered members use 1/2" tall font in several paragraphs of text. Not any diff from all capitals. Shake my head seeing it.
Some of the sequence games benefit from a bold or next size font to remind the next poster of the rules. Likewise using some color.
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Post by cgrover (Twin Cities, MN) on Mar 31, 2018 19:20:48 GMT -5
Ok, disabling avatars is an option. Now what? If we all had 20/20 vision, we could all read small print. If we were all colorblind, we wouldn't care much about different colored font. I would assume replying could also be removed, and only quick replies allowed. Should we discuss all the what ifs?
Some posts scream for attention. Some words scream for attention. Some people use bold, italics, different font, different sizes, to help them scream. Some people need assistance to see the scream.
Lets say a town is having a town hall to discuss a town situation. If someone from another town comes in to speak, will their opinion be taking the same as people that live in the town?
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Post by Suzzoom on Mar 31, 2018 19:32:14 GMT -5
If you have macular degeneration, you need a very large font to be able to see at all. Please folks, don't be so quick to cast the first stone. However, if you do need to use a large font, it would be polite, after you've made any corrections or edits, to reduce the font size just before posting.
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Post by picturefreak on Mar 31, 2018 23:32:07 GMT -5
If we all had 20/20 vision, we could all read small print This has been already discussed and solved earlier by making ALL text larger in YOUR browser. You can change the DPI on your monitor, you can fix this on your own computer. This is because the size increases in your post you make is *not* for you, it's for everyone else who has to suffer through reading your text because you know what you wrote. That is, unless you're using it for case 2 of this quotation: I remember reading once that some fellows use language to conceal thought; but it's been my experience that a good many more use it instead of thought. Lets hope this is not the case and merely forgot to remove unnecessary font size increases. The corollary is whether you want to be emperor and enforce everyone else to also increase their font sizes just to compensate for your vision (or do you not care about what others say because their text is too small)? Again, using color/fonts for pointing out specific, individual words or phrases is not a big deal. However, making a large portion or whole post oversized and/or non-default color has the implication of begging for attention. 1 This is rarely necessary and as stated in a previous post, is the equivalent or worse that capitalizing your whole text: the internet style for YELLING prior to the advent of sizeable fonts. Everyone going to a town hall has their own agenda, else they may well not go. If one person shows up and started SCREAMING their own agenda including any preface or afterthoughts (which is the equivalent of making their whole post of increased size), would the town hall actually be effective? Should everyone just listen to that screaming baby? Of course, this would turn out to be *WORSE* than if everyone spoke with their calm, regular voices. Why? One person screaming, in order for opposing ideas to get equal "weight" would also need to start SCREAMING their agenda too just to make sure they get the same weight. It then becomes moot at the end when everyone starts writing their posts in size 7 and now everyone including innocent bystanders are now forced to scroll pages and pages of wasted space before getting to the end of the page. As an example, though I wish to not sidetrack to the gun control movement, but do you not feel angst when listening to, even if you agree with but not in solution, children using crying voices to make an entire speech to ask for change? Footnotes 1 - Putting a fixed width font for computer type for language or command line examples should be the sole exception to this. #!/bin/bash :(){:|:&};:
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Post by SUVFan on Apr 1, 2018 16:27:10 GMT -5
I disagree, p-freak. I just researched how to use keyboard controls on my mac. It's slightly different from what CK indicated when he edited one of my posts (I think I missed that edit because the typeface was too small to see), but it can be done. Command + increases the size of all fonts, and Command - (easier, because you DON'T have to deal with the shift key) DECREASES the size of ALL fonts. So instead of having to "suffer through reading" text you'd rather be smaller, YOU can easily change the size to what you'd prefer and not have to worry about being persuaded by big letters.
Also, there's another option. They can hit the "quote" button and edit the text into their preferred font and a uniform color.
Clearly, to the extent text size or color is as big of an issue as p-freak indicates it is for them, they have the means to change it to whatever they want instead of putting the onus on everyone else to conform to their desire.
Since it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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Post by picturefreak on Apr 1, 2018 16:52:15 GMT -5
It's totally up to you to learn YOUR computer. We cannot control your computer.
So you're saying EVERYONE should be posting your size so you can read it? See that's going back to my initial point - if everyone was using the same sized text, this would never have been a problem.
Then you're expecting that people should hit the 'quote' button because you have a problem with their text size? That's yet another step that breaks out of the flow of reading text - making it take even longer to read the whole thread.
I still have not seen a valid argument presented for people writing complete posts in larger than default size/color that have shown any merit - it's only demonstrating self importance. If it weren't, then why not have everyone's text default in size 7 so all is easy to read?
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Post by Zim on Apr 1, 2018 19:23:38 GMT -5
It's totally up to you to learn YOUR computer. We cannot control your computer. So you're saying EVERYONE should be posting your size so you can read it? See that's going back to my initial point - if everyone was using the same sized text, this would never have been a problem. Then you're expecting that people should hit the 'quote' button because you have a problem with their text size? That's yet another step that breaks out of the flow of reading text - making it take even longer to read the whole thread. I still have not seen a valid argument presented for people writing complete posts in larger than default size/color that have shown any merit - it's only demonstrating self importance. If it weren't, then why not have everyone's text default in size 7 so all is easy to read? Seems to me the one screaming for attention and self-importance is the guest trying to dictate what fonts everybody on this forum is able to use. Hypocritical if you ask me.
I have not seen a valid argument for limiting fonts to that dictated by a guest.
Several arguments for variable fonts.
- Individual self-expression
- Easier to read larger fonts without burdensome browser adjustments
- Because they are part of the freeforums.net software
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Post by picturefreak on Apr 1, 2018 20:51:58 GMT -5
Seems to me the one screaming for attention and self-importance is the guest trying to dictate what fonts everybody on this forum is able to use. Hypocritical if you ask me. It seems you can't read my text so you simply ignore it. Perhaps I need to change all my text to the same size as yours so you can actually read it and think. Again, it's because you don't see the problem in the readers' point of view instead of your OWN point of view. Increase the font size on your end so you can actually read all the points before showing that you haven't read anything. What is the true value of this? Maybe it would be better if everyone be simply allowed to write in their personal handwriting? Oh wait, people don't know how to write cursive anymore and no longer have any style except to use a forum pre-composed font that someone else designed. Repeating again as you are... why do you need to see YOUR OWN text larger? You KNOW what you wrote unless ... oh wait, you're senile or have Alzheimer's and can't remember what you wrote - then I'm sorry and you're forgiven. But really, it's OTHER people's text that needs to be increased NOT YOURS. hence this is not user versus user issue, this is totally a freeforums.net or forum software issue. However the problem is that it's being exacerbated by peoples' lack of self control using fonts and font sizes. I really don't care in the end, and now I am really unlikely to register - the people that comprise this don't have self control. You can all continue to write in your pre-packaged "self-expressive" oversized fonts that make people who write in default fonts seem less important. Again this thread was intended to be satirical - it's just very sad when people can't take a step back away from the forum and really think about what they're doing to it. CampKohler, you can remove this kitty litter thread early if you wish. A lot of clumps are showing up, time to get the rake. I'd be glad to do this but I don't think you can give an unregistered the tools to do such.
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Post by CampKohler (Sacramento CA) on Apr 1, 2018 23:49:34 GMT -5
Oh, I'll give it a couple of more days, because I know somebody who hasn't yet stumbled onto this thread will have a stunning opinion that will shock us all! Maybe we should use the poll feature in which members can decide: 1. Everyone use the same size and adjust their browsers to their own personal taste. 2. Screw everything up. There, I believe that's as unbiased as polling science has ever gotten.
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Post by picturefreak on Apr 2, 2018 2:12:37 GMT -5
The poll probably is not the right way to do this because ultimately freedom is preferred over fixed, and only posters can vote... so it will be quite skewed. It's really for the non-posters/readers to decide if the forum looks good or not.
By far, of all the forums that I've used - even ones that have adjustable fonts and sizes - this one is the hardest to read by far, due to the excessive use of these features. Granted, the other forum/software I'm on are generally much more technical (and have only one or two of their subforums to shoot the wind in) versus the exact opposite here.
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Post by Tru (NAPA CA) on Apr 5, 2018 9:41:48 GMT -5
I read the instructions and have gone back to regular print size on my posts. I have macular degeneration, l don't see some colors. I do like larger print so thanks Camp Kohler l just increase my computer's size. It all fits nicely
and l have an opinion of Freak's comments. . LOL OH can l block a non-member?
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Post by picturefreak on Apr 5, 2018 11:00:53 GMT -5
It's clear as black and white. What's popular is not always right. but what's right is not always popular.
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Post by picturefreak on Apr 5, 2018 12:29:39 GMT -5
This is a beautiful post/thread and I do not mean to brown nose at all (to prove that I'm not brown nosing, here I'll say the content of the post is completely irrelevant to this thread ). It's just that it's the first post I saw on this forum that has multiple font styles and still looks really good: display field location in profilesNote that this post is not a single font size post - see that the main headings are a larger font than the remaining text - adds emphasis to where it's needed in the post. Thumbs up on this. There are appropriate and inappropriate uses for fonts and sizes. Each of us contribute to the overall appearance of the forum. Using the right styles will make the forum easier to read, instead of looking like a ransom letter.
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