mexicomaria
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Post by mexicomaria on Feb 20, 2020 23:15:57 GMT -5
Penngas..."The story of "god" is a rather new one, " How so? The Bible says, "In the beginning God created." That tells me God here before the "beginning". This is in Genesis 1:1 The second person of the trinity was at creation ("and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters") There are many verses where God uses the plural words "let US make man in OUR image."
Many religions of the world believe in A God. The concept of ethical monotheism, which holds that morality stems from God alone and that its laws are unchanging, first occurred in Judaism, but is now a core tenet of most modern monotheistic religions, including Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, and Baháʼí . So if you believe there was never a God, you are an atheists, you could be Agnostic, or deists. But a Christian believes in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each of the persons is distinct from the other yet identical in essence. In other words, each is fully divine in nature.
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Post by doozij on Sept 27, 2020 18:43:21 GMT -5
Timothyu....The topic above is referring to Creation, that is why the OT is needed to see what God had to say about creation. Creation is discussed in OT. Now, if you want to talk about Rebirth, New Birth, Salvation, or Born Again...that would be in NT... did you see the BLACK CAT TWICE as in DEJAVU!? it's a SIGN it's a TRAP!!(matrix)
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Post by doozij on Sept 27, 2020 18:44:21 GMT -5
Penngas..."The story of "god" is a rather new one, " How so? The Bible says, "In the beginning God created." That tells me God here before the "beginning". This is in Genesis 1:1 The second person of the trinity was at creation ("and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters") There are many verses where God uses the plural words "let US make man in OUR image." Many religions of the world believe in A God. The concept of ethical monotheism, which holds that morality stems from God alone and that its laws are unchanging, first occurred in Judaism, but is now a core tenet of most modern monotheistic religions, including Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Islam, Sikhism, and Baháʼí . So if you believe there was never a God, you are an atheists, you could be Agnostic, or deists. But a Christian believes in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each of the persons is distinct from the other yet identical in essence. In other words, each is fully divine in nature. i'm SORRY but NOT all christians profess the trinity!!
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Post by doozij on Sept 27, 2020 18:46:22 GMT -5
In "that other place," SemiSteve started this topic under the title, "There is no God. Here is why."
He asked 3 questions, which as best as I can remember are below, along with the answers I gave on at least 3 occasions:
1. Who created God?
My answer: No one. God is uncreated, needing no cause.
2. Why did God create everything?
My answer (which evolved over time): I don't know. Ask Him! But Genesis 1:31 in the creation story gives us a clue: "God saw all that he had made, and it was very good."
3. What did God do all the billions of years before He created everything?
My answer: There was no "before" the Creation. When God created the universe, He also created time. God Himself is eternal, existing outside time.
My answer to the first question refer to what I consider the most compelling proof of God's existence: the First Cause argument.
That is, either there is an endless infinite series of causes, or One Cause which came first -- a cause Itself needing no other cause which caused everything else that is. That Cause is God.
Comments? Rebuttals? Additional proofs for God? YES WHY did god create the UNIVERSE!? and WHY does it say WE CREATED in genesis! and if god cleansed the world ONCE way not AGAIN!? some kind of LEARNING PROCESS!? is god LOGICAL!? are WE ILLOGICAL or just NOT doing the RIGHT MATH!?
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Post by mexicomaria on Jan 29, 2022 17:40:01 GMT -5
Doozi, I will attempt to answer your question with what God said......In Genesis 1:26 Then God said,"Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR image, after OUR likeness, ..... Now, does that mean I look like God, or does it mean they created me to have the capability to know and house the Holy Spirit, should I choose not to be just a creation, but be a spiritual being as God, Christ, and Holy Spirit. The New testve.ament will tell you that the Holy Spirit will come into you when you believe. That is no small matter to house the Holy Spirit. It is like a Speed Ball in faith. I knew things I never knew before...mostly, I always thought I hated no one....opps...instantly knew my sins. Very ugly stuff. You can not image how I felt when I asked forgiveness to God, as I did not know of HS yet, I asked for opportunity to make my sins new. I started reading the Bible to know what in the world just happened to me. I would be remiss if I did not warn all of the price of unbelief. A demonstration of true love is to want none to perish.. The matter of fact, there are extreme geniuses who came to belief by reason. Pascal the mathematical genius came to belief... Pascal’s wager, practical argument for belief in God formulated by French mathematician and philosopher Blaise Pascal. In his Pensées (1657–58), Pascal applied elements of game theory to show that belief in the Christian religion is rational. He argued that people can choose to believe in God or can choose to not believe in God, and that God either exists or he does not. Under these conditions, if a person believes in the Christian God and this God actually exists, they gain infinite happiness; if a person does not believe in the Christian God and God exists, they receive infinite suffering. On the other hand, if a person believes in the Christian God and God does not exist, then they receive some finite disadvantages from a life of Christian living; and if a person does not believe in this God and God does not exist, then they receive some finite pleasure from a life lived unhindered by Christian morality. As Pascal states, “Let us weigh the gain and the loss in wagering that God is. Let us estimate these two chances. If you gain, you gain all; if you lose, you lose nothing. Wager, then, without hesitation that He is.” Then there is CS Lewis Prof at Oxford... He reasoned out Christianity. Some time, if you have time, read Screwtape Letters. He reasoned out faith. Now, will be as many ways to come to Christ/God as there are folks who claimed to be Christian. Belief...numero uno. Some are supernatural...Some have just done a Christ asked, and Believed.
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Post by gth (Columbus OH) on Jan 29, 2022 17:51:08 GMT -5
mexicomaria , I'm not sure doozij will be back (although he may be posting under a different handle).
Your "liking" my old posts, reminded me of this topic.
I do miss the religious debates between Christians and atheists (and between Christians and Jehovah's Witnesses) that we used to have at That Other Place. But none of the atheists like SemiSteve or ldheinz (and none of the JWs like chipmunk2) came to GBO.
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Post by mexicomaria on Jan 31, 2022 17:35:54 GMT -5
Oh, that we think, some folks here have about four avatars.. not hard to tell who they are... I miss some very lovely folks, like Deist ShanC, Christian Gashog, the most steady Christian apologist, never got angry, just presented the truth... there was a messianic Jew I really liked. It goes on and on. So many are gone now. I can't go back to the old Gas Buddy as my named and password were changed, by the esteemed GM.
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Post by ddt on Feb 23, 2022 19:19:32 GMT -5
going by many posts concerning this life or another (existence). could we speculate what we call existence is not the true definition!? existence as we know it is a curse!? an unholy imagination made real!? science knows the reality we live is an illusion created by a subatomic structure!? controlled by forces that are electro magnetic!? proof of the supernatural is getting more common!? magicians are everywhere these days!? if you are sincere in being objective that is!? mainstream science has not been able to define mind other than organistic function!? and that incompletely!? medicine is still in the early developement phase!?
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Post by mexicomaria on Nov 3, 2022 14:53:19 GMT -5
What if He does exist? Are you a betting man? Then lay your money on that fact, that you believe he does not exist. (You can read the definition of exist in Webster). In fact, be so certain, that God does not exist that your wager is your life. Would you bet all on it. Certainly not. Do you plan your whole life on maybe "it" is true, maybe "it" is not. Or,do you think that you have all the time in the world to decide. It is strange when I meet an atheist, and none ever tell you that they waged their life on the fact there is no God. Usually, intelligent folks say,, I will read all I can, "from all sides now, I will study this now, so I can least know what I am talking about, because unless you have read any of the Bible ,and listened to God, you only have heard your side...probably not a good listener. I did not ask to be a Christian. I was what you would call a popular, pretty, educated, person. No crimes. I was 27 when Christ visited me. Now, that makes a person stand up. Actually, I could not move, and my entire mind changed. I will only share what happened, if you are sincerely interested. I do know my life is completely different. Adios amigo
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Post by gth (Columbus OH) on Nov 3, 2022 21:10:37 GMT -5
I did not ask to be a Christian. I was what you would call a popular, pretty, educated, person. No crimes. I was 27 when Christ visited me. Now, that makes a person stand up. Actually, I could not move, and my entire mind changed. I will only share what happened, if you are sincerely interested. I do know my life is completely different. Adios amigo I was 26 when Jesus Christ sent the Holy Spirit to knock my agnostic self off my high horse. My life too has been completely different.
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Post by mexicomaria on Dec 4, 2022 18:39:19 GMT -5
What you and I “like” is utterly and absolutely irrelevant. How small, and so like man to belive he sets the rules, our arrogance is numbing. God doesn’t set his eternal agenda based on what we “prefer”or what seems rational. Man's pride always goes before man's fall. What we might “hope” to be true simply doesn’t matter. What does or does not make us “feel comfortable” has no bearing,on the truth or falsity of this issue. The fact that we have an intuitive sense for what strikes us as “fair” or “just” plays no part whatsoever, in coming to a conclusion on whether, or not, there is an eternal hell. The fact that we may not enjoy the thought of eternal conscious punishment, doesn’t make it go away! The fact that you “feel” the existence of hell is inconsistent with your concept of God doesn’t mean there isn’t one. What we “want” or “hope” or “desire” has no relevance at all in this debate. The only important question is, “Does the Bible teach it?” And if the Bible does teach it (and Revelation 14 together with numerous other texts would indicate it does), our responsibility is to believe it and fervently and faithfully proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ as the only hope sinners have for now and eternity. Now, those of you who say there is no heaven, and no hell, there is just here today, dead tomorrow. Weigh the risk,,,, if you are wrong, ugly for you, your mate, and children. The cost if you make the wrong choice is, you and yours. I have but one commission...go into the world and present Christ to a dying world. I do that because of my love for Jesus, and all of you who go here.
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