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Post by MadFueler on Jan 25, 2021 12:56:11 GMT -5
Would you mind telling me which station it is? Also, is it one of those logos that doesn't show up on the map until you tap the station's icon? I have a feeling that GetGo might be one of those logos like Triangle or Harris Teeter that only GB can put on.
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Post by Mudrunner1976 (NE_Ohio) on Jan 25, 2021 20:04:33 GMT -5
It's station ID 197479 in Niles OH. I don't use that map much, but it showed as just a tiny gas pump until I tapped on it, then the icon got bigger and added the price with a larger gas pump (no logo). Other area GetGo's don't show the logo on the map even though they do in the list.
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Post by MadFueler on Jan 25, 2021 20:48:11 GMT -5
And I hardly use the list. I used to find it helpful for reporting prices when it would stay in a set sequence - but when it started automatically rearranging itself, it really threw me off. Being more of a visual person, the map makes a whole lot more sense to me - and that goes double when traveling.
So anyhow - to get back to your question - I did a little test of how GetGo behaves in your area, and how Harris Teeter behaves in mine, and got the same results with both. Anyhow, the outcome (as far as getting a logo on goes) is that you'll have to submit a help request to the GasBuddy bureaucracy and hope they decide to act on it. I don't know why they do some logos that way; they just do.
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Post by DavisSta on Mar 5, 2021 3:54:17 GMT -5
I'm finding that I am unable to edit certain stations in the Master Station List. When I click on the Save Updated Station Information button nothing happens. As far as I can tell it is not because the stations are in the Verified program, because I can edit other stations of the same brand. Has anyone else experienced this phenomenon?
Two examples are:
MSL ID 90829, A&A Gas & Food Mart, 1009 Oliver Rd, Fairfield, CA 94534-3466. For this one I'd like to change the name to A&A Gas to make it consistent with other gas stations of the same brand.
MSL ID 18224, Chevron, 320 E Millbrae Ave, Millbrae, CA 94030-3110. I'd like to mark this station as closed, since it has has been fenced off since late 2019 or early 2020 when construction began on the Gateway at Millbrae Station development (https://gatewayatmillbraestation.com/). Although the Gateway development is being built on property owned by BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) and does not include the privately owned gas station, the gas station is surrounded on two sides by the development and the other two sides by roadways. It is not clear whether it will ever resume service as a gas station, but it has not been open for over a year.
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Post by MadFueler on Mar 6, 2021 15:15:39 GMT -5
I just tried your changes myself and got the same results; then I looked at them on the app map and found that they were individually on the Verified program. Sadly, that happens sometimes even when the brand doesn't go on the program as a whole. I submitted the name change as a suggestion through the app; perhaps if the two of us keep at it twice a day for a week, it might work.
As for the second one, I'd be inclined to close it permanently if it shows no signs of progress toward reopening after a year (usually, that's how long I give them before I lower the boom). You can suggest both permanent and temporary closures through the app, and I've both seen and done permanent ones that way; just wanted to coordinate first with you on what you'd want to do. Another reason I'd want to just do "permanent" is that it'd take moving heaven and earth to get the same station back should it open anyway, and that's a case where I'd just say "The heck with it!" and just put a new one on. GB help may get your request or not under that circumstance. The big tradeoff is that we wouldn't get to put the evidence/reason for closure into the record - but GB has invited that consequence to themselves anyway.
So, shall we both suggest it?
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Post by DavisSta on Mar 9, 2021 1:47:19 GMT -5
Many thanks for your reply, MadFueler. I hadn't noticed (or had forgotten) that sometimes individual stations are in the Verified program even when the brand isn't--that pretty clearly explains why these stations cannot be edited directly. Sadly, my experience is that stations in the Verified program are more likely than those not in the program to have out-of-date MSL information. My first inclination was to mark the Chevron station as closed temporarily, but checking www.chevronwithtechron.com/station, I see that Chevron has removed the station from their map. That (and the long closure) is evidence enough for me to consider it permanently closed. I don't see a way of giving the reason for closure, other than sending in a help ticket to GasBuddy, which perhaps I'll do, since we can't edit the station in the MSL, but I have gone ahead a submitted a "permanently closed" suggestion through the app. I also submitted a name change suggestion for A&A Gas.
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Post by DavisSta on Mar 9, 2021 2:26:22 GMT -5
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Post by MadFueler on Mar 9, 2021 12:42:33 GMT -5
Dang - you really have to dig deep to know what's going on out there! Nevertheless, I'd be glad to gang up with you on these.
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Post by DavisSta on Mar 10, 2021 3:46:50 GMT -5
Many thanks, MadFueler! I also sent an email help request to GasBuddy regarding the Chevron station being temporarily closed.
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Post by DavisSta on Mar 13, 2021 21:59:35 GMT -5
I received the following reply from GasBuddy support yesterday regarding my request to mark the Chevron station as temporarily closed:
I guess it remains to be seen whether the station owner will get back to GasBuddy and confirm that the station is temporarily closed, but hopefully things are on the right track.
I think I'll probably let the A&A Gas name adjustment slide if the app suggestions don't work. It's not that "A&A Gas and & Food Mart" is incorrect, just that it's nice to have names consistent in the MSL, particularly if one wants to search for all the stations of a particular brand.
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Post by MadFueler on Mar 13, 2021 23:46:15 GMT -5
Well, it's good that you got a response; a lot of times it's hit-or-miss. I noticed also that GBV changed the Chevron's site from California to SanFran Metro. I wonder: did they suddenly decide to expand what's included in the SF Metro site? I thought they weren't paying those things any mind anymore.
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Post by DavisSta on Mar 15, 2021 4:58:50 GMT -5
Interesting. I hadn't noticed that the station was under California rather than SanFran. It should always have been under SanFran, because it's in the three-county area covered by that site, but it looks like somehow in one of my edits in 2019 it got switched to California. I'm not sure how that's even possible. It's not as if there's a choice for the website when is performing MSL edits, and the city ("area") remained unchanged as Millbrae, which has always been on the SanFran list. Maybe I edited it while logged into CaliforniaGasPrices.com rather than SanFranGasPrices.com, but I've never noticed that to make a difference.
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Post by MadFueler on Mar 15, 2021 13:09:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I a quick look and found that all the other Millbrae stations I clicked on were SanFran too. Maybe it's somthing like what happens here: When you revert a station on the Winston-Salem metro site, it goes to North Carolina. You can get it to got back by changing the city, then changing it back. One bit of history is that the Winston-Salem was part of the Greensboro site before it got its own in 2009. (I joined in late '12, but I saw the correspondence on the local forum behind dividing W-S into areas, what went where, etc.) Anyhow, I don't know if something like that could be a causative factor, or just coincidence.
Of course, metro sites could be a rabbit trail all their own - and indeed were from time to time on the old GB forums.
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Post by DavisSta on Mar 16, 2021 3:21:07 GMT -5
I bet your theory about what happened is right. GasBuddyVerified had made a bunch of incorrect changes to the features (claiming the station had different cash/credit pricing, did not have pay at the pump, etc.), so I probably reverted to the last correct version, not realizing that that knocked the station off SanFranGasPrices and onto CaliforniaGasPrices. I guess that's just another of the many little bugs in the website! It's nice to have input from someone like you with knowledge of these quirks.
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Post by jcs72 (Southwest Ohio) on Mar 16, 2021 13:20:27 GMT -5
Knoll Brothers has about three stations; two in Indiana and one in Michigan. I went to the entry for the one in New Buffalo, Michigan, which is at 127 W. Buffalo Street according to Google Maps. However, GB lists the address as 514 Oselka Drive, which matches the address of a local marina. I changed the entry not once, not twice, but three times, and each time it rejected my address and latitude/longitude changes in the MSL.
Is Knoll Brothers (which, by the way, has no website, at least not that I could find) on the Verified List? Interestingly when I went to the station on my Apple smartphone and went to the map it had a BP logo, and all BP stations are on the Verified List! What's up with that???
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