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Post by timothyu on Dec 13, 2018 11:28:48 GMT -5
It means I was responding to W's previous post.
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Post by gth (Columbus OH) on Dec 13, 2018 12:53:03 GMT -5
So then, what is your answer to my question -- "yes" or "not"?
(BTW, that I have weaslespit on ignore is spelled out in the sig attached to every post I make)
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Post by timothyu on Dec 13, 2018 13:01:07 GMT -5
Oh GTH I'm sorry but I've already answered. Would it be fair to others if you got more responses to the same question than they? Your relationship with W or others is no concern of mine. Even back at GB I always felt that those who used the ignore feature were missing out on ideas that could perhaps expand one's vision.
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Post by gth (Columbus OH) on Dec 13, 2018 13:12:40 GMT -5
My original question was: and your response was: which is ambiguous -- could mean a number of things -- which was why I then asked for just "Yes" or "no".
Given you haven't given me one clear answer, the issue of fairness to others (if there even is an issue) does not apply.
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Post by timothyu on Dec 13, 2018 13:17:10 GMT -5
I've given the only answer possible and the only one you will get. It both answered your question and defined Christmas.
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Post by gth (Columbus OH) on Dec 13, 2018 13:24:19 GMT -5
Your inability to give a clearcut and unambiguous answer to a simple question is hereby noted.
I feel sorry for you Tim. I hope and pray that you receive whatever healing and grace you need from the Reason for the season you feel ambivalent about celebrating.
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Post by timothyu on Dec 13, 2018 13:28:15 GMT -5
And I am sorry your theology blinds you from understanding the will of God. Merry Christmas and a cross bearing New Year.
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Post by weaslespit on Dec 13, 2018 14:51:58 GMT -5
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Post by weaslespit on Dec 13, 2018 14:54:28 GMT -5
Your inability to give a clearcut and unambiguous answer to a simple question is hereby noted.
I feel sorry for you Tim. I hope and pray that you receive whatever healing and grace you need from the Reason for the season you feel ambivalent about celebrating. gth, I'm sorry you don't understand tim's very clear and concise answers... Clearly I have no issues in understanding his responses to you, so obviously the issue is not in the message being transmitted. Ergo, check the receiver.
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Post by gth (Columbus OH) on Dec 13, 2018 15:24:26 GMT -5
And I am sorry your theology blinds you from understanding the will of God. Merry Christmas and a cross bearing New Year. Tim, while I am subject to sin, as are you, as are we all, I am confident that my faith in God (what you miscall my "theology") is not leading me astray. (I wish I could say the same for you, but I honestly cannot). If you feel different, then I would certainly welcome your prayers.
You constantly refer to the "kingdom". I worship the King.
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Post by timothyu on Dec 13, 2018 15:36:30 GMT -5
It is senseless to worship a King that has no Kingdom. The King would not have been sent unless the Father first decided to offer the Kingdom to those who repented of the will of man in favour of the will of God and understood the difference. Jesus is our King yes, but without His message and Kingdom there is no point glorifying the messenger. The King wouldn't have been sent to be worshipped otherwise. That is the folly of the Lord Lords.
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Post by gth (Columbus OH) on Dec 13, 2018 15:46:42 GMT -5
timothyu , it sounds like you are restating the Fall of Man described in Genesis 3, except the Fall was not caused by a lack of "understanding" God's will, but rather by not obeying God's clearly stated commandment not to eat the fruit of one tree. As for "glorifying the messenger," Jesus tells us in Scripture, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)
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Post by timothyu on Dec 13, 2018 16:42:12 GMT -5
The lack of understanding was, that our will would lead to nothing but trouble, but I suppose there was no more sense explaining it to Adam and Eve as there is to many Christians now.
Not obeying was the first step towards self interest and self determination. The result was using whatever definition of good and evil we could come up with (now that we knew it existed unlike our other mammal cohorts) to self justify our deeds that did not correspond with the will of God.
All through the Bible God told us His will, the biggies being the 10 C's and the condensed version of all the times He told us the right path... love neighbour as self which covers all. But does man listen or even if so, listen for long? Nope. They always redefine good and evil to create a theology that gives them a loophole from rejecting the will of man and create theology that allows them to work with man for the same gain at the expense of others.
Indeed. He told us the way of what to repent of and by His deed created the way out of this world of man into the Kingdom. The truth that it is so and who He says He is. But most importantly that God's will is superior to man's and we must repent of the latter in order to receive the life built upon God's will (not man's) there. Nothing we hold dear here that man has created from do-dads to economics to politics will exist in the Kingdom, so why bother now?
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Post by weaslespit on Dec 14, 2018 14:54:58 GMT -5
The lack of understanding was, that our will would lead to nothing but trouble, but I suppose there was no more sense explaining it to Adam and Eve as there is to many Christians now.
Not obeying was the first step towards self interest and self determination. The result was using whatever definition of good and evil we could come up with (now that we knew it existed unlike our other mammal cohorts) to self justify our deeds that did not correspond with the will of God.
All through the Bible God told us His will, the biggies being the 10 C's and the condensed version of all the times He told us the right path... love neighbour as self which covers all. But does man listen or even if so, listen for long? Nope. They always redefine good and evil to create a theology that gives them a loophole from rejecting the will of man and create theology that allows them to work with man for the same gain at the expense of others.
Indeed. He told us the way of what to repent of and by His deed created the way out of this world of man into the Kingdom. The truth that it is so and who He says He is. But most importantly that God's will is superior to man's and we must repent of the latter in order to receive the life built upon God's will (not man's) there. Nothing we hold dear here that man has created from do-dads to economics to politics will exist in the Kingdom, so why bother now? Well-said!
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Post by gth (Columbus OH) on Dec 19, 2018 21:44:00 GMT -5
Never mind Tim and his inscrutable posts. Let's finish the talk about the song.
I found this article, which summarizes the arguments well. And its last word deserves to be the last word on the matter:
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