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Post by gth (Columbus OH) on Dec 9, 2018 23:36:55 GMT -5
I would expect satan to be extremely worried over President Trump. No matter what satan throws at President Trump, he takes a licking and keeps on ticking. No other president could have gone through what President Trump has gone through. It's no surprise that the whole world seems to be inching closer to evil. sis, I don't buy the view of many Christians That Trump is doing God's work, or even that he is some kind of modern-day King Cyrus, a pagan who is doing God's will.
At most, Donald Trump with his coarseness, his dodgy trade policy and cozing up to dictators is the price that America is paying to turn back the Roe v Wade "culture of death".
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Post by weaslespit on Dec 10, 2018 11:14:44 GMT -5
Like all human beings, that man is the perfect example of self interest, self promotion, self justification, gain at the expense of others, and reworking the definition of good and evil to suit his purposes. We all do it to various degrees. What sets him out is his position of exposure to public scrutiny. Clearly just another damaged individual who spends more time pouting than practising changing his outlook to one more befitting loving neighbour as self.
Is this man The Anti-Christ? No! Just an anti-christian forerunner as are his like minded followers to the real McCoy. The real deal who/which will have the same attributes but on a grander global scale, as these attributes are and have always been those of the Adversary. Indeed!
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Post by sissurf on Dec 10, 2018 14:39:26 GMT -5
GTH you said, "sis, I don't buy the view of many Christians That Trump is doing God's work, or even that he is some kind of modern-day King Cyrus, a pagan who is doing God's will. At most, Donald Trump with his coarseness, his dodgy trade policy and cozing up to dictators is the price that America is paying to turn back the Roe v Wade "culture of death".
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Just because President Trump believes in the good things and the righteous things that has been handed down to mankind for thousands upon thousand of years does not mean that he is wrong in his beliefs or the things he does. Just because people today express their freedoms more forcefully and are willing to use their free will to go down what ever path they want even if it's not the path of generations pass, doesn't mean that they are right, and President Trump and his followers are wrong.
This is the same old story going all the way back to the Garden of Eden. Mankind was given the power of free will, but this doesn't give the non-believers the right to go off the wall over President Trump and the things we stand for that has to do with righteousness and God.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2018 19:53:48 GMT -5
"No matter what satan throws at President Trump, he takes a licking and keeps on ticking.
No other president could have gone through what President Trump has gone through."-sissurf
Were you blind to the 8 years of garbage President Obama had to endure? Everything going bad for Donald was brought on by Donald himself.
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Post by weaslespit on Dec 11, 2018 10:00:51 GMT -5
GTH you said, "sis, I don't buy the view of many Christians That Trump is doing God's work, or even that he is some kind of modern-day King Cyrus, a pagan who is doing God's will. At most, Donald Trump with his coarseness, his dodgy trade policy and cozing up to dictators is the price that America is paying to turn back the Roe v Wade "culture of death". ````````````` Just because President Trump believes in the good things and the righteous things that has been handed down to mankind for thousands upon thousand of years does not mean that he is wrong in his beliefs or the things he does. Just because people today express their freedoms more forcefully and are willing to use their free will to go down what ever path they want even if it's not the path of generations pass, doesn't mean that they are right, and President Trump and his followers are wrong. This is the same old story going all the way back to the Garden of Eden. Mankind was given the power of free will, but this doesn't give the non-believers the right to go off the wall over President Trump and the things we stand for that has to do with righteousness and God. It really is disheartening to see Christians lose their way when it comes to politics. It absolutely clouds their judgement and leads them off of His path. Trump is as far from a role model when it comes to religious principles as you can get... This isn't an R or D thing - it is a human thing.
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Post by timothyu on Dec 11, 2018 12:59:31 GMT -5
Is 'believing in God' the same as 'appearing to believe in God can get you votes'?
What leader by their actions shows they believe in God by actually following His commandment to put God's will before man's thus love neighbour as self? Why do leaders like Carter or Sanders (no not Sarah) who at least give the partial impression of utilizing that commandant, find such disfavour with the so called Christians? It will be interesting to see the difference between the funerals of GHWB and Jimmy Carter.
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Post by weaslespit on Dec 11, 2018 13:05:52 GMT -5
Why do leaders like Carter or Sanders (no not Sarah) who at least give the partial impression of utilizing that commandant, find such disfavour with the so called Christians? Excellent question!
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Post by timothyu on Dec 11, 2018 13:16:54 GMT -5
What happens when the cornerstone of a faith within Christianity (or any religion) is one of politics? The will of man becomes the basis of their outlook rather than the will of God. Jesus' Kingdom by His own words is not of this world. Followers should act accordingly.
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Post by gth (Columbus OH) on Dec 11, 2018 14:20:21 GMT -5
Is 'believing in God' the same as 'appearing to believe in God can get you votes'? Wearing your religious faith on your sleeve to get votes is an old story in politics (perhaps on both sides of the 49th Parallel).
In the case of Donald Trump, I'm pretty sure most believers who supported him pretty much knew what they were getting: someone who would further the conservative Christian agenda regardless of that person's actual practice of the faith. And Trump has pretty much delivered.
I presume you mean Bernie Sanders, who while coming from a Jewish background, is known to be a nonbeliever, so your comment doesn't really apply. And Jimmy Carter is a liberal Christian while emphasizing what we now call "social justice" disfavored the right to life, and so many (including myself) would argue he is not really conforming himself to God's will.
If we follow the rule of "Speak no ill of the dead." there should not be that much difference. And although I disagree with much of what Jimmy Carter did, I respect the man, who I believe basically tried to be a good Christian, even if (as I believe) he was often mistaken in his beliefs.
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Post by timothyu on Dec 11, 2018 14:33:47 GMT -5
Of course it applies for it focused on the deed, not the faith. Faiths are a dime a dozen as are non-faiths.
As are all of mankind who politically put the will of man before the will of God.
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Post by gth (Columbus OH) on Dec 11, 2018 15:37:13 GMT -5
So does timothyu ever give a coherent response to anything? Or does he want us to guess at his meaning?
In any case, one party sometimes at least gives lip service to authentic Christian values. But that party is not the Democratic Party.
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Post by timothyu on Dec 11, 2018 15:54:25 GMT -5
Lip service is totally useless regardless of who speaks it unless the will of God is practised before the will of man.
Neither group can lay claim to the will of God if their motive is only to justify or further the will of man.
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Post by weaslespit on Dec 12, 2018 11:01:16 GMT -5
Of course it applies for it focused on the deed, not the faith. Faiths are a dime a dozen as are non-faiths. As are all of mankind who politically put the will of man before the will of God. Excellent response. It is easy to understand why those who have trouble discerning your points here are the same folks who focus more on the words rather than the deeds as they put their politics before the will of God.
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Post by gth (Columbus OH) on Dec 12, 2018 11:38:50 GMT -5
Lip service is totally useless regardless of who speaks it unless the will of God is practised before the will of man.
Neither group can lay claim to the will of God if their motive is only to justify or further the will of man. What, specifically, are you referring to? Are you referring to something that was said in a previous post?
(BTW, God's will can be accomplished through the unwitting actions of others, even unbelievers. Look up references to King Cyrus in the Old Testament).
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Post by timothyu on Dec 12, 2018 14:28:07 GMT -5
No. Pettiness is of no value. I speak in the broadest sense.
Of course it can. One need not carry about the often misused label of Christian in order to do the will of God. We all are to do the will of God, not follow a religion.
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