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Post by weaslespit on Jun 6, 2018 9:47:05 GMT -5
The vaunted Prius, the face of the hybrid segment, has been falling for years losing market share to EV and PHEV vehicles (excludes Prius V/C models).
Prius Liftback Sales:
2010 - 140.9K
2011 - 128.1K
2012 - 147.5K
2013 - 145.2K
2014 - 122.8K
2015 - 113.8K
2016 - 98.8K
2017 - 65.6K
Toyota has priced the Prime (PHEV) such that it is now cannibalizing Prius sales, however Prime sales are not nearly enough to offset the loss in sales of the Prius. Quite frankly, I'm surprised Toyota still doesn't have a production-level EV vehicle yet as do the following OEM's considering they were the pioneers for the hybrid segment;
Tesla
GM
Nissan
BMW
Fiat
VW
Kia
Smart
Ford
Honda
Hyundai
Mercedes
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Post by weaslespit on Sept 5, 2018 10:20:26 GMT -5
Prius sales continue their steady march towards oblivion as it was down yet again in August (15.1% compared to a terrible 2017 August), down 16.9% CYTD compared to 2017 (which was the 4th bad year in a row for the nameplate).
Prius V is almost non-existent with only 37 units moving in August (95.6% drop from last year). Overall, the Prius sedan is down 22.7%, the V is down 70.6% and the C is down 30.9% CYTD.
The Prime is the only Prius model in the black, up 38.5% CYTD however not nearly enough to compensate for the staggering losses seen for the Prius family overall. 2018 will mark the first time that the Prius hasn't sold at least 100K units in North America since 2004!
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Post by weaslespit on Dec 3, 2018 12:35:51 GMT -5
The numbers are in for the Prius for November and as has been the trend for 5 years now, they aren't good.
Prius sales were down 26.3% for November compared to 2017, and keep in mind 2017 was the worst year for the Prius since 2004. CYTD, Prius is down 18.4%, guaranteeing a second year in a row below 100K, and still falling.
Prius Sedan - down 33.6% for November and 23.2% CYTD
Prius V - down 99.6% for November and 77.1% CYTD
Prius C - down 39.9% for November and 31.1% CYTD
Prius Prime - up 26.1% for November and 33.7% CYTD
RAV4 - down 10.2% for November and 2.2% CYTD
Given the staggering loss in volume, it is safe to say that the Prius as we knew it is dead. It is only a matter of time until the Prime will be the only Prius available and at a significant technological disadvantage to its competitors compared to where it was at just 5 years ago.
Perhaps the 2019 NAIAS will debut Toyota's first EV - well behind many of its rivals.
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Post by BillG on Dec 6, 2018 15:59:07 GMT -5
Maybe it's because the price of gas is going down? Or... maybe it's because Toyota keeps on making these car uglier and uglier. The latest version looks like a plastic toy for a 3 year old.
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Post by weaslespit on Dec 7, 2018 11:05:41 GMT -5
Maybe it's because the price of gas is going down? Or... maybe it's because Toyota keeps on making these car uglier and uglier. The latest version looks like a plastic toy for a 3 year old. Even with the price of gas declining, which is certainly a variable, EV sales continue to increase YOY compared to the bottom falling out from under the Prius. Gas prices were actually up this year, but didn't help reverse the negative trend. I actually think the current Prius is the best looking of all of the iterations.... |
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Post by Interesting on Dec 7, 2018 13:30:38 GMT -5
It's due to polarization, prius and volt were both half way houses - weak at being gasoline, weak at being electric, despite having the best of both worlds.
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Post by guitarman on Dec 8, 2018 14:21:50 GMT -5
My wife has a 2017 Prius Hybrid and loves it...she gets between 55-65 mpg. (Almost 600 on a tankful and her tank only holds 10 gallons) It easily seats 5 and her hatchback area is also very large. It had been on the lot for quite a while (doesn't have all the bells and whistles) so I got it for just $21k.
The Prius has only been built with front-wheel drive but, in 2019, the Prius will come with an AWD option so I'm expecting those to be quite popular in northern climates for winter driving. (I expect them to do well against the Subaru's here in Colorado.) And they will priced between $24-27k which is a lot cheaper than any Subaru out there.
With GM (Chevy) shutting down production of all their hybrids, I expect Prius sales to rise...but we'll see!! (I'm pretty angry at GM taking all that taxpayer money, BILLIONS, to stay afloat then deciding to build new plants in China and, now, closing American plants....just wrong on so many levels.)
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Post by mnrick on Dec 10, 2018 22:19:34 GMT -5
I have driven a number of Prius's at work, they are not a horrible car, there is much worse on the road... Drive a Leaf around for a few hours (if the charge lasts that long) and then drive a Prius and let me know what you think.
I work at a dealership and I pay attention to car trends and the fact is that car sales in general are sinking. The group I work for covers many brands and across the board the best selling vehicle at every dealership we have is a SUV whether it's Honda, Nissan, BMW, Toyota, Subaru, Lexus, Buick/GMC... Walk into any dealership and ask them what their best selling vehicle is and it's going to be a SUV except in the case of Ford, Dodge and Chevy where it is a truck but their next best selling vehicle is a SUV.
With Ford and Chevy dropping production of many of their car models you can expect to see sales of other car models pick up but it probably wont be enough for car sales from any brand to eclipse what their best selling SUV is.
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Post by detfan on Dec 24, 2018 12:47:56 GMT -5
Guitarman. I would like to correct your faulty assumption, if I may. GM paid back all of their loans from the Federal government, at 5.75% interest, four years early. You might be referring to Obama's forced bankruptcy of GM, a bankruptcy that GM didn't ever want, where Obama took an unprecedented step of taking an equity interest in GM, and then, the financial mastermind that he is, sold it for a $10B loss. That isn't on GM. That is on Obama.
On the China issue. All manufactures' need to be part of a Joint Venture with a Chinese company to build and sell cars there. Importing them is just not economically feasible. With China now being the largest market on the planet, GM has postured themselves very well doing quite well in China. GM exports a miniscule number of vehicles from China to sell in the United States(only because a U.S plant would be unfeasible for the lower volumes of these vehicles). Regarding the closing of five plants, those plants are getting obsolete, and the majority of GM employees will be offered jobs at different U.S. plants including the one producing the brand new Chevyy Blazer. GM remains the automaker with the largest employment of Americans.
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Post by weaslespit on Jan 3, 2019 10:57:21 GMT -5
I have driven a number of Prius's at work, they are not a horrible car, there is much worse on the road... Drive a Leaf around for a few hours (if the charge lasts that long) and then drive a Prius and let me know what you think. I work at a dealership and I pay attention to car trends and the fact is that car sales in general are sinking. The group I work for covers many brands and across the board the best selling vehicle at every dealership we have is a SUV whether it's Honda, Nissan, BMW, Toyota, Subaru, Lexus, Buick/GMC... Walk into any dealership and ask them what their best selling vehicle is and it's going to be a SUV except in the case of Ford, Dodge and Chevy where it is a truck but their next best selling vehicle is a SUV. With Ford and Chevy dropping production of many of their car models you can expect to see sales of other car models pick up but it probably wont be enough for car sales from any brand to eclipse what their best selling SUV is.
You're right, trucks and SUV's are selling over sedans however when you just compare sedans (especially hybrids/EV's), the Prius is dying. I'd prefer a Tesla over a Prius and a Leaf...
With regards to seeing other car models pick up in sales after Ford/GM cancelling some of their offerings, this will most likely benefit ICE models like Camry/Accord (etc) - not the Prius. |
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Post by weaslespit on Jan 3, 2019 11:07:31 GMT -5
My wife has a 2017 Prius Hybrid and loves it...she gets between 55-65 mpg. (Almost 600 on a tankful and her tank only holds 10 gallons) It easily seats 5 and her hatchback area is also very large. It had been on the lot for quite a while (doesn't have all the bells and whistles) so I got it for just $21k. The Prius has only been built with front-wheel drive but, in 2019, the Prius will come with an AWD option so I'm expecting those to be quite popular in northern climates for winter driving. (I expect them to do well against the Subaru's here in Colorado.) And they will priced between $24-27k which is a lot cheaper than any Subaru out there. With GM (Chevy) shutting down production of all their hybrids, I expect Prius sales to rise...but we'll see!! (I'm pretty angry at GM taking all that taxpayer money, BILLIONS, to stay afloat then deciding to build new plants in China and, now, closing American plants....just wrong on so many levels.) No surprise, sales were abysmal once again in December for the Prius down 33% compared to December 2017 (which was a 4th straight bad year) and down 19.4% YOY with a total of 87,590, well-below 100K for the family as I predicted. Just for the lift-back; Prius Liftback Sales: 2010 - 140.9K 2011 - 128.1K 2012 - 147.5K 2013 - 145.2K 2014 - 122.8K 2015 - 113.8K 2016 - 98.8K 2017 - 65.6K 2018 - 49.5K Prius sedan sold 3,111, compared to 5.401 last December, a fall in sales of 42,4%. For the year, down 24.8% (65.6K vs. 49.5K). I don't see the Prius (outside of the Prime) existing beyond 2020. Prius can't compete with the value seen in the Prime, and the Prime doesn't compete nearly as well as the Prius did in the hybrid segment which it dominated for a generation. |
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Post by weaslespit on Feb 7, 2019 9:24:44 GMT -5
My wife has a 2017 Prius Hybrid and loves it...she gets between 55-65 mpg. (Almost 600 on a tankful and her tank only holds 10 gallons) It easily seats 5 and her hatchback area is also very large. It had been on the lot for quite a while (doesn't have all the bells and whistles) so I got it for just $21k. The Prius has only been built with front-wheel drive but, in 2019, the Prius will come with an AWD option so I'm expecting those to be quite popular in northern climates for winter driving. (I expect them to do well against the Subaru's here in Colorado.) And they will priced between $24-27k which is a lot cheaper than any Subaru out there. With GM (Chevy) shutting down production of all their hybrids, I expect Prius sales to rise...but we'll see!! (I'm pretty angry at GM taking all that taxpayer money, BILLIONS, to stay afloat then deciding to build new plants in China and, now, closing American plants....just wrong on so many levels.) No surprise, sales were abysmal once again in December for the Prius down 33% compared to December 2017 (which was a 4th straight bad year) and down 19.4% YOY with a total of 87,590, well-below 100K for the family as I predicted. Just for the lift-back; Prius Liftback Sales: 2010 - 140.9K 2011 - 128.1K 2012 - 147.5K 2013 - 145.2K 2014 - 122.8K 2015 - 113.8K 2016 - 98.8K 2017 - 65.6K 2018 - 49.5K Once again, Prius sales were abysmal. In fact, now they are tanking - worse than before when they were only plummeting. In January the Prius was down 57% compared to January 2018 (which was a 5th straight bad year) and is down 57% CYTD YOY (with only one month in for 2019, the monthly and yearly declines are equal). For the year, down 57% (2.9K vs. 6.9K). Prius is on pace to sell ~35K in 2019; queue the fat lady. Prius might not survive past 2019 rather than 2020 with these numbers.... By model; Prius Sedan 1,540 (4,011 in 2018) -61.6% Prius V 1 (625 in 2018) -99.8% - Model Dead Prius C 323 (811 in 2018) -60.2% Prius Prime 1,123 (1,496 in 2018) -24.9% RAV4 1,282 (3,502 in 2018) -63.4% Ouch. |
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Post by weaslespit on Mar 7, 2019 14:36:23 GMT -5
Once again, Prius sales were abysmal. In fact, now they are tanking - worse than before when they were only plummeting.
In February the Prius was down 48.2% compared to February 2018 (which was a 5th straight bad year) and is down 52.3% CYTD YOY.
For the year, down 52% (6.6K vs. 14K). Prius is on pace to sell ~40K in 2019; queue the fat lady. Prius might not survive past 2019 rather than 2020 with these numbers....
Note that Toyota no longer reports out the specific Prius models. Telling. Also telling is the "Total Toyota Hybrid" (including RAV4, Corolla, Camry, Highlander and Lexus) are down 42.6% for the month compared to February 2018 and down 43.4% CYTD compared to 2018.
February 2019 TMNA Sales Chart
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Post by weaslespit on Apr 4, 2019 12:37:02 GMT -5
Once again, Prius sales were abysmal. In fact, now they are tanking - worse than before when they were only plummeting.
In March the Prius was down 34.2% compared to March 2018 (which was a 5th straight bad year) and is down 45.8% CYTD YOY (12K vs. 22.2K).
Prius is on pace to sell ~48K in 2019; queue the fat lady. Prius might not survive past 2019 rather than 2020 with these numbers....
Note that Toyota no longer reports out the specific Prius models. Telling. Also telling is the "Total Toyota Hybrid" (including RAV4, Corolla, Camry, Highlander and Lexus) are down 12.5% for the month compared to March 2018 and down 23.8% CYTD compared to 2018.
March 2019 TMNA Sales Chart
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Post by weaslespit on May 2, 2019 9:55:10 GMT -5
Once again, like a broken record, Prius sales were abysmal. In fact, now they are tanking - worse than before when they were only plummeting.
In April the Prius was down 35.3% compared to April 2018 (which was a 5th straight bad year) and is down 43.2% CYTD YOY (17K vs. 30K).
Prius is on pace to sell ~50K in 2019; queue the fat lady. Prius might not survive past 2019 rather than 2020 with these numbers....
Note that Toyota no longer reports out the specific Prius models. Telling. Also telling is the "Total TMNAHybrid" (including RAV4, Corolla, Camry, Highlander and Lexus) are up 12% for the month compared to April 2018 yet still down 14.2% CYTD compared to 2018.
April 2019 TMNA Sales Chart
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