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Post by markjames on Feb 18, 2019 10:04:18 GMT -5
The guy who killed five wasn't supposed to get a gun, but the background check system failed. Also, given his past history, the place where he worked wouldn't have hired him in the first place.
At least two background checks failed.
This violent felon never should have been able to purchase a gun and they never should have been hired.
The progressive "in person" discipline system of their employer also allowed this violent felon to plan his attack.
Regarding background checks, a simple Google search, or search of online newspaper archives often reveals charges/convictions background searches miss during pre-employment screening.
One of my daughter's employers - New York State approved 3 healthcare workers with criminal records after they passed their background check.
A simple Google search of their names showed 2 were convicted of theft and fraud and 1 was convicted of theft, fraud and assault.
A search of local newspaper archives showed 1 had multiple charges and complaints filed against her as well.
Searches of Social Media reveal many very disturbing things about potential employees, tenants and service providers as well.
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Post by patty7841 on Feb 18, 2019 23:45:34 GMT -5
I have heard of so many cops who commit suicide. There was one cop, who worked in a local police station where I used to live. He had major depression from the Vietnam War. He had a bad back injury and severe depression due to the war. He had a big name in the town (his father was the police chief at one time - years ago), and several of his brothers and sisters were on the same force (came from a big family). He ended up shooting himself in the mens' bathroom at the police station during one of his shifts. What a horror story. He should have been given a desk job with no gun. His co-workers were in denial that he really was not that depressed. But his neighbors and others he had contact with stated that he did not belong on the streets with a gun. He could have killed his family, kids or harmed the general public.
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Post by soutxed on Feb 19, 2019 11:34:17 GMT -5
The guy who killed five wasn't supposed to get a gun, but the background check system failed. Also, given his past history, the place where he worked wouldn't have hired him in the first place.
The background check by the employer failed also. But one wonders if co-workers knew something and did not say anything.
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Post by soutxed on Feb 19, 2019 11:37:24 GMT -5
I have heard of so many cops who commit suicide. There was one cop, who worked in a local police station where I used to live. He had major depression from the Vietnam War. He had a bad back injury and severe depression due to the war. He had a big name in the town (his father was the police chief at one time - years ago), and several of his brothers and sisters were on the same force (came from a big family). He ended up shooting himself in the mens' bathroom at the police station during one of his shifts. What a horror story. He should have been given a desk job with no gun. His co-workers were in denial that he really was not that depressed. But his neighbors and others he had contact with stated that he did not belong on the streets with a gun. He could have killed his family, kids or harmed the general public. Law enforcement suicide is a problem. Not everyone has the mental or physical ability to do the job. But co-workers and family on denial is a big problem. I saw that often as a teacher.
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Post by soutxed on Feb 19, 2019 11:40:16 GMT -5
A common comment here and elsewhere is family or co-workers knew but said nothing. A few countries are now making them accountable for reporting or getting help for people with suspected mental issues. I know it can be abused but worth considering. To me this is a national emergency as much as if not more so than illegal aliens.
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Post by markjames on Feb 19, 2019 11:57:37 GMT -5
One of my current evictions is due to a tenant's fiancé with OCD.
I learned of her problem due to extremely high water consumption, hot water consumption and a flooded septic system.
Apparently she has a had washing obsession. She literally washes her hands on and off for hours at a time leaving the water/hot water running for hours at a time.
She has a cleaning obsession as well which consumes a lot of water and hot water.
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Post by markjames on Feb 19, 2019 12:10:40 GMT -5
My girlfriend's step sister and her partner have been suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome since the election which has cost them jobs, housing, family support systems and more.
The election exposed how many truly crazy, intolerant and unstable people are out there...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2019 20:15:40 GMT -5
A common comment here and elsewhere is family or co-workers knew but said nothing. A few countries are now making them accountable for reporting or getting help for people with suspected mental issues. I know it can be abused but worth considering. To me this is a national emergency as much as if not more so than illegal aliens. Yep....Our illegal aliens are really (And Mostly) people looking for a place where work is available. wages are paid on time and they can live a life with no interruptions...People that will do JOBS NO americans will do, because collecting from the Government and doing nothing pays them more.
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Post by soutxed on Feb 20, 2019 19:19:44 GMT -5
A common comment here and elsewhere is family or co-workers knew but said nothing. A few countries are now making them accountable for reporting or getting help for people with suspected mental issues. I know it can be abused but worth considering. To me this is a national emergency as much as if not more so than illegal aliens. Yep....Our illegal aliens are really (And Mostly) people looking for a place where work is available. wages are paid on time and they can live a life with no interruptions...People that will do JOBS NO americans will do, because collecting from the Government and doing nothing pays them more. And fewer come with mental health problems. You have to be mentally stable to endure the hardships of even getting here.
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Post by sneakers (Metro Houston) on Mar 3, 2019 19:44:16 GMT -5
I know a person who has been bipolar since they were 18 years old. They have been on multiple medications their entire life. They see a psychiatrist a minimum of once a month, year in, year out. They have been an inpatient multiple times. During every manic episode, they go to the local gun store, pass the background check and buy multiple kinds of guns and ammo. They have never displayed any behavior to make me think they would harm anyone. Yet I personally believe with this documented background they should be denied the sale of firearms.
As long as it's a voluntary inpatient admission, it doesn't come up on background checks unless you volunteer the information. And the involuntary commitment system has high hurdles to cross to get someone involuntarily committed.
Historically, I've had roughly an equal number of pdoc admissions and mdoc admissions, although since 2011 the mdoc admissions have pulled ahead. Having both a C.difficile infection and a MRSA infection will do that to you. On the C.difficile, I bounced out of the hospital, had a recurrence, and went in the second time for 37 days. With the MRSA, I was in 29 days.
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Post by markjames on Mar 4, 2019 11:05:39 GMT -5
During every manic episode, they go to the local gun store, pass the background check and buy multiple kinds of guns and ammo.
That's certainly a strange reaction/behavior.
They must have quite the gun collection...
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Post by markjames on Mar 4, 2019 11:27:04 GMT -5
Regarding strange behavior, one of my managers and some employees with office privileges wondered who was disabling/changing the office wall clock, microwave clock and coffee maker clock.
When we reviewed security footage we saw one of my employees, (now a former employee) unplugging the microwave and coffee maker to reset the clocks, plus changing the time on wall clock.
She'd also stop the microwave before it hit 0 seconds every time she used it.
She gave no explanation for her strange behavior and denied resetting the clocks despite surveillance footage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2019 15:29:38 GMT -5
On the Guns, it scared me *less !!!!
Wow..it's a frikken dilema and that is why some schmuck walked into a Bank in Lake Placid, Fl 45 days ago, and did away 4 women employees. Just U N R E A L !!!!
A Small, beautiful rural Town where nothing happenned for years in and out, 4 lives were taken in under 4 seconds !!
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Post by soutxed on Mar 4, 2019 16:25:57 GMT -5
I know a person who has been bipolar since they were 18 years old. They have been on multiple medications their entire life. They see a psychiatrist a minimum of once a month, year in, year out. They have been an inpatient multiple times. During every manic episode, they go to the local gun store, pass the background check and buy multiple kinds of guns and ammo. They have never displayed any behavior to make me think they would harm anyone. Yet I personally believe with this documented background they should be denied the sale of firearms.
As long as it's a voluntary inpatient admission, it doesn't come up on background checks unless you volunteer the information. And the involuntary commitment system has high hurdles to cross to get someone involuntarily committed.
Historically, I've had roughly an equal number of pdoc admissions and mdoc admissions, although since 2011 the mdoc admissions have pulled ahead. Having both a C.difficile infection and a MRSA infection will do that to you. On the C.difficile, I bounced out of the hospital, had a recurrence, and went in the second time for 37 days. With the MRSA, I was in 29 days.
I agree, this person can be dangerous. Our laws need to be changed to deny guns even with a voluntary admission if doctors certify this person is dangerous.
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Post by soutxed on Mar 4, 2019 16:31:20 GMT -5
Several years ago the son of a local police officer who was certified as dangerous was able to unlock the gun locker his father had. Took a gun and went to ex-girlfriends house. Brother tried to stop him from seeing girl and was shot. Man with gun took off and chased to a field by local sheriff and border patrol (who at that time would ass't local law enforcement with chases. As BP agents approached the suspect in the field, they were shot and killed by the son of police man. Found guilty of murder. Worse the city was sued by parents of agents and deputy who as also wounded. Cost $35 million. Sorry, my belief is when there is some one like that in the home, there should be NO GUNS. Resign as a police officer or send son to live somewhere else.
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