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Post by SUVFan on Sept 13, 2020 13:24:32 GMT -5
President Trump changes his mind and changes his statements sometimes hourly. In all my years I have never seen a person that's less prepared to be president of anything much less a country. This self stated "stable genius" , is the most unstable, unreliable, idiotic, stupid to top off idiotic, person I've ever seen in public office. I can't disagree with much of that, Tru. Still, I'll vote for him as I consider the other option to be even worse. For example, the President has not been so out of it mentally that he couldn't remember the name of the Declaration of Independence, and instead called it "the thing." But I think he's exposing how weak the office truly is. Fighting diseases is something the Constitution left to the states. An amendment to allow the Feds a role in healthcare might be a good idea but we're way to divided right now for anything to pass.
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Post by Tru (NAPA CA) on Oct 2, 2020 9:11:44 GMT -5
Federal insurance works great for me. I get medi care. Have for about 15 years or so and never had a problem til this year. Now all of a sudden l have to pay for some drugs and blood work. Never did before.
As to covid 19 fear, l have it the fear really strong. Even the pres who is so protected got it. How can l prevent getting it? So far masks have worked for me. Too bad he didn't believe in them.
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Post by SUVFan on Oct 6, 2020 7:41:26 GMT -5
Quite possibly, FDR's greatest contribution from his four term presidency was this great quote from his first inaugural address:The context underlying that quote is important: I'm mindful that he had lived through the Spanish Flu Pandemic just a decade and a half before and he was wheelchair bound from his bout with Polio. Less well known are some words that followed shortly after that quote that are instructive today: Unfortunately for us, this time our distress does spring from a plague, most likely a result of China's failure to safeguard it's experiments and certainly to timely warn the world of the peril it created. But none of that matters. Frankly, the fear that has griped so many -- that includes my idiot Ohio Governor -- in our Nation increasingly for the past 7 months has led to panic instead of the steeled determination exhibited by our forefathers, which FDR rightly recognized. Both sides of the political aisle are equally guilty of attempting to use this disease as a pawn in the election. Pawns die. We need to avoid being used as pawns. We can't allow ourselves to be overcome by fear. We all need to study the disease and apply what we learn to help ourselves and each other. From what I hear from the experts, the masks we're supposed to use (Not the n-95 variety because they still want to save those for 1st responders) primarily protect others from us by knocking down the droplets we'd otherwise spew all over the place. If we inhale with a droplet floating nearby, it will get sucked around or through the fabric into our nose or mouth. But when we exhale, the force of our breath is diminished by being projected toward and into the fabric and any droplets that escape don't travel far. That's where social distancing comes into play -- it keeps us far enough away from each other that we aren't close enough to suck in those floating droplets. A side benefit you don't hear much about is that these precautions should also knock the hell out of the ordinary flu and cold viruses. The thinking was that, with all those allowed to be around POTUS being tested regularly, he'd be protected. Well, that didn't work out so well but he's demonstrated (so far) that if you jump on the treatment quickly (I recognize that few of us would get the treatment he got, but Clint Eastwood's great line as Dirty Harry in Magnum Force should always guide us: "Man's got to know his limitations"), it's manageable. So I think it's more about respecting the disease, taking sensible (for our personal situations) precautions but continuing to live our lives and not burdening others because of our own limitations. Kids need to go to school, be active, socialize and learn. Yes, there are some bad outcomes for children but, for the most part, it doesn't affect them close to the way it affects older people with an average of 2.7 special conditions. Young adults need to be able to work, climb the corporate ladder or ply their trades. Those of us who have already done that should not be denying others the right to do that because we might get sick. So I've taken very few meals out even though restaurants opened for dine in service in late May. I sometimes go to a store and take one look at the parking lot and leave or, as it happened Sunday at Kroger, the produce department looked unsafe so I skipped produce for that trip. I reported an employee who was pushing one of those huge carts (for curbside or delivery customers) around for not wearing his face gear properly. I saw him 3 times and the covering was consistently below his nose. So I acted. When I see store employees going the wrong way down a 1 way aisle or entering the "exit only" door, I call them out loudly. I went to Costco yesterday, arriving at 9 am before it got crowded. It doesn't mean I won't catch Covid but I know I'm increasing my chances of avoiding it, not out of fear but out of respect. Just using common sense. If I do experience symptoms, I'll be firing an email off to my GP, who will probably respond that day if it's early enough or no later than about 4:30 the next morning and then I'll be proactively managing it from there.
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Post by Tru (NAPA CA) on Oct 6, 2020 20:39:55 GMT -5
LOL Roosevelt's greatest contribution was a saying ?I don't think so. Unless that was meant tongue in cheek.
I don't wish covid-19 on my worst enemy even Trump, but he has Flaunted doctors and scientists who know what they're talking about, because he as he says it is stable genius and knows better than they do. However he got it oh, now he says he gets it then it turns right around when he gets out of the hospital take off his mask and says don't worry about it it ain't as bad as you think, or words to that effect. So he didn't did he?
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Post by SUVFan on Oct 7, 2020 10:25:27 GMT -5
Tru, I'm not a huge FDR fan but I try to find the positives where I can. I'd always heard the quote but had never bothered to check out the context. By making that such a theme of his inaugural speech, he really set the tone. Had Hoover been able to quell the fears everyone was apparently feeling, maybe he'd have been reelected.
The things FDR did eventually brought the US out of the Great Depression. Part of that was entering WWII, of course. That statement putting fear in it's place lives on in perpetuity and should guide us all in the current crisis. I have not seen anything from a Democrat leader that doesn't play on people's fear of getting sick. FDR's message is that we need to look beyond ourselves and react to a crisis in a manner that helps everyone the most. Lockdowns and policies that destroy jobs are not the answer.
Do I agree with everything President Trump has done? Of course not. He's made plenty of mistakes. Of course, so did those doctors and scientists who initially said masks don't work for the general population. I think they were lying but, if not, they were incompetent. I'm sure the media outlets you rely on didn't focus on those mistakes if they mentioned them at all. Because the left wing media criticism of the President started as soon as they got over being shell shocked that he had somehow won and has continued non stop ever since, I'm numb to it. His detractors are now the little boy who cried wolf to me. I don't care at all what they say but I do watch the Disney Evening News with David Muir many nights just to monitor it. It's not quite the nightly hit job I see when I start on one of the other two dinosaur networks but it's still a total hit job. Every night they whip up the fear.
BOT, walking around (or, worse, hunkering down) in fear is no way to live one's life. Hunkering down because one has researched the subject and determined that is the best course for him or her, personally, makes sense. We don't reduce speed limits to 20 mph everywhere 24/7/365 even though that would save all kinds of lives and life changing injuries. We understand and accept the risk. This disease should be treated no differently now that we better understand it and our ability to treat it has improved dramatically since we achieved the initial goal of flattening the curve.
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Post by Gas Cat on Oct 7, 2020 14:48:12 GMT -5
Tru, I'm not a huge FDR fan but I try to find the positives where I can. I'd always heard the quote but had never bothered to check out the context. By making that such a theme of his inaugural speech, he really set the tone. Had Hoover been able to quell the fears everyone was apparently feeling, maybe he'd have been reelected. The things FDR did eventually brought the US out of the Great Depression. Part of that was entering WWII, of course. That statement putting fear in it's place lives on in perpetuity and should guide us all in the current crisis. I have not seen anything from a Democrat leader that doesn't play on people's fear of getting sick. FDR's message is that we need to look beyond ourselves and react to a crisis in a manner that helps everyone the most. Lockdowns and policies that destroy jobs are not the answer. Do I agree with everything President Trump has done? Of course not. He's made plenty of mistakes. Of course, so did those doctors and scientists who initially said masks don't work for the general population. I think they were lying but, if not, they were incompetent. I'm sure the media outlets you rely on didn't focus on those mistakes if they mentioned them at all. Because the left wing media criticism of the President started as soon as they got over being shell shocked that he had somehow won and has continued non stop ever since, I'm numb to it. His detractors are now the little boy who cried wolf to me. I don't care at all what they say but I do watch the Disney Evening News with David Muir many nights just to monitor it. It's not quite the nightly hit job I see when I start on one of the other two dinosaur networks but it's still a total hit job. Every night they whip up the fear. BOT, walking around (or, worse, hunkering down) in fear is no way to live one's life. Hunkering down because one has researched the subject and determined that is the best course for him or her, personally, makes sense. We don't reduce speed limits to 20 mph everywhere 24/7/365 even though that would save all kinds of lives and life changing injuries. We understand and accept the risk. This disease should be treated no differently now that we better understand it and our ability to treat it has improved dramatically since we achieved the initial goal of flattening the curve. Well said SUVFan
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Post by SUVFan on Oct 8, 2020 11:23:08 GMT -5
Thanks, Gas Cat. This morning, I was looking for the exact quote from General George Patton about the notion of giving one's life for one's country. I found it at this link. I also found there the reconstructed text (there was no transcriptionist -- Patton wasn't supposed to be there!) of Patton's speech to the 3rd Army. Totally consistent with (and quite possibly inspired by) FDR's quote about fear is this quote from Patton's June 4, 1944 speech just before D-Day, which would have been barely a decade after FDR's 1st inaugural address: So putting Patton's comment on fear together with FDRs, my takeaway is that, of course many of us are going to be afraid of this virus to differing degrees but that doesn't mean we should allow it to paralyze us. Sadly, from their reactions to the virus and the policies they've put into place, I suspect that many of our timid leaders exist because Patton's suggestion for handling cowards was not followed. The consequences of giving into our fear and letting it control us instead of us controlling our fear are much greater. Last year's graduating class was shortchanged on their education and the current graduating class is in the process of being shortchanged as well. All school children are being negatively impacted by the changes in how we educate educate them and relatively few will likely fully make up what's being lost. Many families are suffering due to the needless business closures. Borrowing more trillions that, ironically, will become a burden on the very school kids who are being compromised makes no sense whatsoever. We need to man up.
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Post by Tru (NAPA CA) on Oct 8, 2020 14:14:09 GMT -5
LOL man up. This virus has proven to take down strong athletes all over the place Manning up being physically fit doesn't fight a virus. What the mask does is prevent us from spreading it what blocking down or closing down places that are having a lot of problems and they still are by the way we have not hit a plateau as you state. There are many states that are going crazy with new cases.But as the governor of California says it's a hospitalization rates that you need to keep track of. That's shows youhow and where it is serious.
Manning up is what the president was pushing but he got thy covid-19 anyway and because he's president he gets his way to not wear masks and such did I hear yo professing?tit's not manly. you know what is not manly to me, it's not wanting to protect others your family your grandma. That's not being manly.
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Post by stlhawk on Oct 8, 2020 17:05:50 GMT -5
Here are my thoughts.
Do have a respectful fear of COVID-19? Yes, but no more than my fear of cancer, the flu, heart disease, being killed by a drunk driver, etc. In all cases, I take whatever precautions I am comfortable with, like eating well, exercising, keeping my weight in check, avoiding sick people when I can, wearing a seat belt, etc.
I refuse to let any "possible" bad event in my life dominate my thoughts or let them keep my from living life to it's fullest.
My life has pretty much been back to normal for a while now. 2020 for me, has been one of the best years of my life, and that is because I do not let fear control my life and look for new and enjoyable things to do every day.
So in a nutshell, No. I am not afraid!
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Post by Tru (NAPA CA) on Oct 10, 2020 17:02:58 GMT -5
N a small way I agree with hawk, meaning I amnot quivering and shaking with fear.I I have a healthy respect for this virus . I put on a seat belt to when I get in my car and I put on a mask when I go out of doors because the virus is floating around and there's no shot for it like there is a flu. I get a flu shot every year. My life is not normal by a long shot, no matter how healthy I am how much I prepare the food that I eat to be healthy all of the other things that was mentioned I have no protection against the virus covid-19. And that way and that way only and until we get some kind of protection Beyond a mask wearing in publi see.I it's only sensible to listen and follow whatt the scientists are telling us and the doctors tell us . the only idiot that doesn't tell us that is our president and a few posters here. I'll go with the scientist the doctors the logical people and I'll do what little I ca iny putting on a mask when I have to go out otherwise I have no protection not even the president was protected against it
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Post by Tru (NAPA CA) on Nov 12, 2020 17:42:43 GMT -5
Here we go again!
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Post by Gas Cat on Nov 15, 2020 20:58:34 GMT -5
Sad but true.
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Post by Tru (NAPA CA) on Nov 19, 2020 12:21:52 GMT -5
So many of our states are turning purple. which is the worst it can be as far as the pandemic is concerned, therefore my son and I have decided no matter how careful he is and no matter how but I stay in that he should not come to visit me during Thanksgiving to bring me the food that he is preparing. And now two or three days later I see that the CDC has also stated that that people should not get together with anyone that has not lived in their house for 14 days prior to this time. so count does not coun countnd okay I can't make the corrections anymore so I'm going to quit talking. Good luck to you all
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Post by SUVFan on Nov 27, 2020 14:17:18 GMT -5
Tru, you made the smart play for you. If you both had had no contact outside your homes with anyone for two weeks, there would be virtually no risk in getting together. But even one outside contact during those 2 weeks would potentially be enough for spread.
Ohio Governor DeW[h]ine issued a curfew order that went into effect a week ago. On the heels of that Franklin County and Columbus' health departments issued an unenforceable stay at home advisory. Mass gathering limits have been at 10 here since May, though there are broad exceptions such as 300 for catered events. A week earlier, though, the Gov. cracked down on that exception, too, saying all attendees had to remain seated and there could be no dancing.
I don't have to leave home at all and I can avoid contact with anyone if I want to as Amazon is in my neighborhood multiple times every day.
I choose not to stay home, understanding that I'm taking a risk. I manage that risk by always wearing face gear anytime I'm going to be within 6 feet of someone and at all times when I'm indoors unless I'm taking a meal. I do the latter very infrequently, only in places that appear to be relatively safe. Again, I accept that I'm opening myself to a small risk of infection.
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