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Post by timothyu on Feb 1, 2019 11:52:11 GMT -5
It is very easy to get sucked into the adversarial games of man. Those of the Kingdom work within the system by standing outside of it, if that makes sense. We cannot make things better by acting in the same way as our oppressors or fighting fire with fire..
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Post by weaslespit on Feb 4, 2019 10:42:09 GMT -5
It is very easy to get sucked into the adversarial games of man. Those of the Kingdom work within the system by standing outside of it, if that makes sense. We cannot make things better by acting in the same way as our oppressors or fighting fire with fire.. You are correct in how to respond - you cannot fire with fire if that means acting corruptly and abandoning ones morals.
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Post by timothyu on Feb 7, 2019 23:11:22 GMT -5
Like the Jews then and today, most Christians do not understand that Jesus' Kingdom is opposite to the world of man in nature, nor do they see any reason to leave the ways of this world behind. They also look for a worldly king that will rectify life as they know it, not reverse it..
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Post by timothyu on Feb 16, 2019 21:21:57 GMT -5
Two natures... animal and spirit. Two principles... self serving and selfless Two worlds... world created upon man's principles and Kingdom created upon God's principles. Two cultures... man's culture and God's counter culture Two theologies... one which wrongly says we can have it both ways and one that says we can't.
Jesus came with His Gospel of the Kingdom to give us an alternative to the world we have made, built upon our will, a will which we continually put before God's will. A will that got us kicked out of the Garden. He taught us how to rise above our animal nature and instincts to share in an alternate nature following God's will. He said in order to partake in the Kingdom, we must die to the ways of the flesh and be born heart and mind into a new way of thinking/acting. Otherwise we cannot be in harmony with or understand our connection to God and who we really are. We are the ultimate hybrids. He works through our spiritual nature made in his image but will not partake in our use of our animal instincts.
If you no longer think 'selfishness' ( the self serving ways of man which seek gain at the expense of others then redefine good and bad to justify the acts ) is a normal way to live... you may be born again.
If you see how putting God's will first and loving all neighbours as self counteracts the evil that man does and understand how it is a better way to live... you may be born again.
If you no longer seek to divide among man (as in politics) and instead divide the world man has made from the Kingdom and pursue all your petty human crusades built on such (being of the Kingdom and not world of man in heart and mind)... you may be born again.
If you understand you cannot deal with the oppression and ways of man by using in return the same oppression and ways of man... you may be born again.
If you put the governance of God before any governance of man... you may be born again, but there will be backlash that mankind will direct at you for being a traitor to their world, having forsaken the self serving society everything is built upon.
If you increasingly notice the world seems backwards, you've found the Kingdom and are being born again.
If you understand that man will try to insert human ways in everything including Christianity to suit man's purpose... you may be born again. Weigh everything against Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom and not the religion or an animal protecting gospel... that is being born again.
You go around saying you are born again but still partake in the self serving self defeating ways of man and justify them with religion, you may not be born again.
You watch the evening news and don't see what is wrong with 99.9% of what is shown, or you take sides over the issues... you may not be born again.
Luke 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
James 1:27 Pure and undefiled religion before our God and Father is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
© ...timothyu
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Post by timothyu on Feb 19, 2019 15:07:34 GMT -5
Jesus gave us the Kingdom, which is salvation from death, but we must repent of the way we have lived and now live according to the ways of the Kingdom where our new allegiance lies., in opposition to the traditional ways of man. A choice made possible by the grace of God. We must be governed by God, not of the will of man. This is Jesus' Gospel of the Kingdom, not to be confused with the partial gospel of man.
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Post by timothyu on Mar 4, 2019 0:23:14 GMT -5
The Tempter still walks the earth and does it's job. It's biggest accomplishment was getting the Gentile church to accept rule over the kingdoms of man by teaming up with state 1700 years ago. The position was vacant as Jesus had previously rejected the offer while out in the desert. It's a shame when humans mistake the Kingdom of Jesus' Gospel for the kingdoms of man.
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Post by timothyu on Apr 3, 2019 11:40:56 GMT -5
CEO worship is making a revival today. Christianity likewise, once gave a nod to Constantine and his mom, for Constantine offered them a chance to become street legal.
But it wasn't free. In return gentile Christianity sold it's soul back to the world of man for a chance at power and glory of it's own, accepting a chance to rule with empires and kingdoms and eventually over them, just as Jesus had once been offered but rejected.
Was this a sell out of Jesus and His Kingdom? Yes, but necessary in order to have scripture forwarded to this day by those who ignored the Kingdom of God to build their own. God knew what He was doing when He chose the gentiles to forward His message as the house of Israel scattered and diminished.
Gentile Christians had chosen to return to the world of man so they then could not teach a Gospel which opposed that. They diverted attention away from the Kingdom and it's ethics to fit in with their new partner. But God knew the discerning would find truth in the scripture that they had no choice in keeping, yet kept from the public for centuries for that very reason.
The truth has always been in the scriptures, not the doctrines or religions of self serving man.
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Post by timothyu on Apr 30, 2019 14:10:43 GMT -5
How much did Jesus charge for the loaves and fishes (even at a good reduced Jewish rate)? Were His healings covered by parasitic health insurers? What did The Father charge for the Kingdom to Come... for resurrection? I guarantee you if it was up to man it wouldn't come cheap. Christian institutions have already verified that fact.
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Post by timothyu on Jun 26, 2019 11:53:48 GMT -5
Jesus said the way we are doing things (and have always done things) is backwards. Yet people, including many Christians, missed His point and continue to defend those backward ways today as if man's way can be justified using Christianity to do so. Using an opposing ideal to defend it's counterpart. Logical?
Jesus' teachings referred to economics, but in reverse to the way man and specifically today's capitalists view it. He was no friend to man's way of doing business. He was not about power, religion or gain, but against exploitation against the poor, the widowed, the orphans, each other, etc.. He taught a reversal of the social order common to mankind as indicated here using capitalism of the world today as one example, a modern movement which mirrors that backwards human social order.
He favoured the poor, the broken, the humble, yet spoke against the rich, not only telling them how to right their ways but saying they already have their reward of their own making but no more. The oppressed on the other hand were promised much more. He represented an alternate and opposing system, yet laughingly many of those who prefer the self serving will of man still claim Him as their own. The Kingdom was opposite to what man holds dear and by the many who defend it that are reading this.
Jesus purposely walked the walk of those He supported, being humble and poor and associated, not with the powerful, but with the outcasts of man's society, shunning the ways of those who were the lowly's opposite. He favoured the oppressed over the oppressors. His whole purpose was to show us an opposing Kingdom which had no part in any allegiance with the ways of man.
The people after His time here was done, were left with a spirit of social rebellion which could not align itself with the powers of any day, then or now, for it was the enemy of man's established system. Hence it became a convenient 'religion' outside the mainstream of human will, and was eventually institutionalized to keep it's influence under control and from interfering with the traditional ways of man, thus promoting it as a spiritual entity rather than a practical solution to oppression and greed.
God does not bless those who shun the Kingdom and proclaim their ways superior. Capitalists and others of the traditional ways of man have had their only reward but walk on the wrong side of God's fence. Their defenders are equally condemned.
© ...timothyu
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Post by timothyu on Sept 8, 2019 21:56:27 GMT -5
Free will was never the issue. All forms of life make choices. Self awareness was the issue. There is talk of connecting man to computers. Will the link make us less awareness of ourselves? No. Will it give more awareness to the computer. No doubt. That is what happened when God put His spirit in man a long time back. The computer may end up seeing itself as something it is not, just as man did.
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Post by ddt on Feb 18, 2022 3:45:50 GMT -5
It seems to me that those with the least have the most giving spirit. © so we should strive to have the least to stay honest or blameless!? what kind of world would that produce!? i can recall when giving in a personal way to those who were trying to succeed was pretty common! total strangers even! maybe that was do to hard times pretty well experienced by many!?
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Post by ddt on Feb 18, 2022 3:49:07 GMT -5
Well we know of one for sure, but that is ok. We are all made different with different capabilities and levels of understanding. Who knows, someday things may click for you. Never stop moving forward. by click do you mean cement a personal outlook to succeed at some endeavor or any endeavor without focusing on the enemies or situations that you think are holding you back!?
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Post by ddt on Feb 18, 2022 4:04:37 GMT -5
you certainly have covered a lot of points here! i agree with many! but it kinda points to someone who is frustrated with the fact that christianty has become a business and pyramid scheme to include the desires and pleasures of carnal existence and wants that to change!? and has chosen to point out all the wrongdoing so to speak maybe because the person is not fully engaged in the spreading of the kingdom!? for fear of consequences!? or it's not permitted under the current conditions as a team effort is the only way to accomplish such a feat no independent ascention permitted now!? see... now you got me looking back!?
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