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Post by airfresh on Apr 3, 2018 7:45:09 GMT -5
Yeah the replacement needs to be in place as soon as possible for both teams. That means the competition leads off the field as well right now eh? Competing for the best possible replacement from the same pool of possibilities.
Congrats to the three of you for staying married as many decades as you have. No small accomplishment. Says something about you as family men.
Smitty I am of the belief that in today's media there is far more smoke than fire on these types of stories. My own opinion is TB WAS riffed at having his personal trainer made unwelcome in the clubhouse and on the field. He'll get over it. He does seem to be back tracking a bit on playing until 45. My own opinion is at least 2 maybe 3 if he sees a real possibility for another ring in the 3rd year.
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Post by ssmith1070 (Boston, MA) on Apr 3, 2018 18:08:54 GMT -5
Wow, now THAT was interesting.
Cooks was just traded to the Rams for a better draft pick than they traded away to get him after a 1,000 yard season.
Seems to me this means Edelman and Gronk along with Hogan are going to step in to have big rolls and none of them are going anywhere. OR it opens up talks to try and get OBJ? Very intriguing, indeed.
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Post by tdice on Apr 3, 2018 22:20:41 GMT -5
The G-Men want 2 first rounders for OBJ, which NE now has. That is a stiff, stiff price to pay for a WR. Even one as talented as Beckham. In other words, hope that they do it. I also heard that they may package a first and another pick to move down to draft TB's replacement.
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Post by airfresh on Apr 4, 2018 7:25:25 GMT -5
OBJ is a pipe dream. BB would never... never... spend that kind of draft capital on a WR nor would he pay a WR anything near what he will want to play for.
Last time the Pats had 2 first round picks the got Chandler Jones and Hightower. I'm guessing with them accumulating 2 firsts and 2 seconds and a 3rd they see some value in this years draft. The question is where do they see it. They are now positioned to get a quality QB. But will they pull the trigger.
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Post by tdice on Apr 6, 2018 5:43:27 GMT -5
"quality QB", maybe. Not so sure any of them are going to be great. But at least there are more to choose from than last year.
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Post by airfresh on Apr 6, 2018 6:49:06 GMT -5
Yeah trudat Dice. Far more QB's bust then turn into quality. And prior to every draft ALL the players look like studs if you listen to the media drones.
The advantage teams like the Pats and Stillers have right now is whoever gets drafted (if) doesn't have to learn on the job they get to learn from HOF'ers for a couple years. If the guy they draft has the skills and intellect those teams can at least stay in the hunt when their guy rides off into the sunset... er... or falls off the cliff..
I will say that if there is a guy the Pats really think is a guy who can develop into a top 5-10 guy that is slipping they have the draft capital to move up. In a million years I don't see it happening but if Cleveland goes with a QB #1 the Pats could blow up their draft board to get their #4. I wouldn't do that but the draft is a wild card in BB land. Just when you think you know what they'll do they mess with your head.
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Post by tdice on Apr 7, 2018 10:39:59 GMT -5
NE had that quality QB, but he plays for the Niners now. Whoever was responsible for that gaffe had their head messed up.
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Post by airfresh on Apr 8, 2018 7:46:50 GMT -5
Salary cap my friend. They tried hard to sign him but he wanted no part of backing up TB another 2-3 years. If they franchise him they have to cut guys they don't want to and do what so many other teams do... fill their top heavy salary roster with dregs at the bottom of their roster. Plus JG may have given the team signals he wouldn't sign the tag. They tried everything they could o keep him. The biggest mistake IMO is they waited till the trade deadline to exhaust all options. Most thought they could get more for him but any team trading for him would have to have assurances he would sign there. There was no way he was going to sign in a place like Cleveland so those rumors were never going to happen.
Uh... and Kraft may have had the final say. There's some talk/speculation/tea leaves BB was willing to do what he's always done... Let a great vet go a year or two early for his replacement. That's the trade TB in he off season scenario. But in Pat land we'll never know for sure.
What we DO know is short of trading Brady in the prior off season there was no way to keep JG
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Post by airfresh on Apr 8, 2018 7:52:04 GMT -5
And one more thing.... WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU LOGIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know you're out there.
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Post by scoutmaster on Apr 8, 2018 16:05:34 GMT -5
NE had that quality QB, but he plays for the Niners now. Whoever was responsible for that gaffe had their head messed up. Excellent point tdice. If Tommie goes down the Pats are in trouble.
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Post by airfresh on Apr 9, 2018 6:56:58 GMT -5
LOL and if Ben goes down Pitt will be in excellent shape.
With the cap hell Pitt is in by paying WR's and RB's at the top of the pay scale you would have had to do the same thing. You'd be paying a QB, WR, RB AND a backup QB 45% of your total cap.
Pats aren't going to panic. JG may turn out to be the next great QB... and may turn out to be RGIII or Kaepernick. Fast start and flame out. I explained in my previous post why keeping G wasn't an option. They've already moved on to plan B.
Either way they have an option to pick a QB with the draft capital they have though I personally wouldn't in the first round at the positions they have. Nor would I trade up to do it. But if the Pats do... I'd trust that the guy they pick will be someone they believe in.
There could be as many as 7 QB's going in he first round by the time the Pats start picking. Normally there's 1 or 2. That means here will be 5 or 6 studs who would normally be gone in the top half of the draft who will slide. The quality of those Pats picks will be higher than normal. If they want a developmental QB with some upside they have a couple of high 2nd round picks. The guy Dice and I like will probably be still around then.
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Post by scoutmaster on Apr 9, 2018 14:59:55 GMT -5
Yup if Ben goes down the Steelers are in trouble as well. The difference is the Pats have no one. I know Landry ain't much better but at least he has experience.
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Post by BuzzBomb on Apr 9, 2018 15:35:23 GMT -5
In fairness, Brian Hoyer has more experience than Landry Jones but I see little purpose to debate who has the better backup. We all agree our respective team is screwed, should it reach that point.
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Post by airfresh on Apr 9, 2018 18:27:21 GMT -5
Agreed. Both backups are a huge drop in production. Screeeewed either way.
Buy I still can't get over the fact that in 16 games started in Cleveland Hoyer was 10-6. Since he was benched then left they're like 4-44 or something very close.
Scout... Hoyer has started a lot of games in the NFL. Buzz is right he's got a lot more experience than Landry.
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Post by ssmith1070 (Boston, MA) on Apr 9, 2018 20:49:39 GMT -5
I still feel like especially after they shipped off Cooks to the Rams for a first rounder better than the one they traded FOR him after getting a 1,000 yard season that they could have done a LOT better than a second round pick for Jimmy G. Yes, they did have a great back-up, but they were not ready to start him this year, and perhaps before the proverbial SHYTE hit the fan and Brady and Gronk were potentially not even coming back this year they certainly should have been able to get a good first round pick for Jimmy G. He should have had more value than Cooks. That's all I'm going to say about it. But I do expect they need help on both offense and defense and they definitely need to draft a QB. Hoyer is not the future, just a serviceable back-up.
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