RNorm
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Post by RNorm on May 23, 2018 13:39:04 GMT -5
What to do, what to do?
Registration is now required to post on this Forum, in part to combat spam messaging.
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Post by picturefreak on May 23, 2018 13:53:49 GMT -5
I can't do anything.
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Post by Hemond on May 24, 2018 7:52:50 GMT -5
Who is to decide if someone is a troll? One person's troll is another person's hero. Here on the tech side of this board, we all get along. The rule of this particular forum is you do not have to register to post. I'm fine with that, as are 99% of posters here. What are you proposing? To silence an anonymous poster when their POV is completely different from your own?
Why not simply pay them no attention? That is how you silence an irritating poster.
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Post by cgrover (Twin Cities, MN) on May 24, 2018 12:04:22 GMT -5
And, do some trolls register? This is all anonymous here anyways, even if you register. Well, amongst the regular users.
Are all who don't register a troll?
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weaslespit
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Post by weaslespit on May 25, 2018 9:37:31 GMT -5
It is simple, really - if you don't register, you cannot post. You can read threads, you can 'like' them if you wish to be a Guest - but you must register to post. Maybe limit this requirement to just the political threads where it gets pretty deep...
There is no judgement made in this regard about who is a troll or not - but it blocks the avenue trolls are currently abusing since registered members cannot block 'Guests'.
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patricktm
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Post by patricktm on May 28, 2018 22:15:31 GMT -5
I see, Hemond. You have conducted a scientific random sample of members of this board and ascertained that 99% of them don't care of non-registered members post? Where was that survey, because I didn't see it, and didn't participate.
No. That's not it at all. It's to get rid of those who come on, post nonsense in every single thread, sometimes repeatedly, and you can't ignore them. The idea of an "ignore" feature either recognizes that some people simply don't want to be involved with some registered poster or you have to conclude that the ignore feature is useless and should be eliminated. To offer an ignore feature that doesn't allow you to ignore non-registered users is nonsense.
i concur that trolls who don't register should not be allowed to post. They refuse to register so they can't be blocked. And they do nothing but troll, harass, and otherwise disrupt the flow of a conversation. They do not contribute to meaningful discussion.
I see nothing wrong with having to register. Most comments sections and boards require you to register to participate. That you are not revealing identifying info to the other board members is not the issue. The issue is that you can block and if necessary, file complaints against a registered member even if they acquire new registrations.
At a minimum, non-registered posters should not be allowed to post links, use font styles, quote another member, etc. They should at most be limited to the tiny, limited formatting quick reply option.
Some topics may not attract the trolls as much as other topics, but the political section is having as many posts from unregistered guests as from registered members.
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Post by CampKohler (Sacramento CA) on May 29, 2018 2:23:10 GMT -5
Perhaps rather than requiring registration to post, we delete any "trollage" much in the same way that graffiti is quickly painted over. Would that not discourage the trolling? Is trolling obvious to any reader or must one be sophisticated to spot it?
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Post by Hemond on May 29, 2018 6:35:54 GMT -5
You're back to who gets to decide who is a troll. One poster's troll is the next person's keyboard hero. The way to deal with someone you disagree with is to ignore them. Don't respond to their statements. If you find yourself irritated by viewing a post, stop visiting that thread. Why is it everyone overuses the admonishment "Don't feed the troll" - yet no one ever follows it? There is a reason "Don't feed..." is a hackneyed cliche. It works.
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weaslespit
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Post by weaslespit on May 29, 2018 7:51:04 GMT -5
Perhaps rather than requiring registration to post, we delete any "trollage" much in the same way that graffiti is quickly painted over. Would that not discourage the trolling? Is trolling obvious to any reader or must one be sophisticated to spot it? Hi CampKohler! I fear that this simply becomes an unwinnable game of wack-a-mole. You (or any other mod) would be spending a lot of time deleting posts, I don't think you'd necessarily want to sign-up for that as a long term solution...
What discourages trolling is simply being ignored - which I'd certainly like the ability to do.
Is it possible to just make it a requirement to post in the politics section by registering, since that is where I would think the vast majority of trolling is occurring (sadly, a carry over from the Other Place)? It seems to be getting worse every week.
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Post by picturefreak on May 29, 2018 10:47:36 GMT -5
The funny thing is that any undesirable post to the reader (not to the forum) is now considered trolling no matter what the content. Sad...
I'd say any political forum, as long as it's not clearly marked left or right or whatever, all posts are free game and NONE are trolling.
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weaslespit
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Post by weaslespit on May 29, 2018 11:32:36 GMT -5
The funny thing is that any undesirable post to the reader (not to the forum) is now considered trolling no matter what the content. Sad... I'd say any political forum, as long as it's not clearly marked left or right or whatever, all posts are free game and NONE are trolling. The problem as I see it in the political threads isn't a disagreement with content but rather posts with zero content aimed simply at disparaging other posters.
I should have the ability to put these people on ignore whose sole intent is to post insulting vitriol. They are abusing the current forum set-up...
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Post by Whoknows on May 29, 2018 12:07:55 GMT -5
The funny thing is that any undesirable post to the reader (not to the forum) is now considered trolling no matter what the content. Sad... I'd say any political forum, as long as it's not clearly marked left or right or whatever, all posts are free game and NONE are trolling. The problem as I see it in the political threads isn't a disagreement with content but rather posts with zero content aimed simply at disparaging other posters.
I should have the ability to put these people on ignore whose sole intent is to post insulting vitriol. They are abusing the current forum set-up...
Agreed. Admin., there must be some way to either install an "ignore" feature or require registration to post. The "guests" are taking advantage of the system posting garbage knowing there is no way for them to be ignored.
Thank you.
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Post by Hemond on May 29, 2018 12:38:19 GMT -5
The solution is to disable the politics board. This has been the solution in several other forums I participate in. The current atmosphere nationwide is toxic. It is not possible to behave like adults. Therefore the political forum should be locked and all discussion on politics placed off limits. The solution is not to force registration, it is to ban political discussion.
This complaining is spilling over here, onto the technical/computer area. It's one thing to confine jousting to the politics board. But now it's spilling over here. It doesn't belong here. Posters simply cannot get along. The administrator or future mods will be spending all their time refereeing fights. Ban all political discussion. It's the only way.
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weaslespit
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Post by weaslespit on May 29, 2018 13:26:14 GMT -5
[Admin note: Quoting is not needed if replying to the previous post.] This has been the solution in several other forums I participate in. The current atmosphere nationwide is toxic. It is not possible to behave like adults. Therefore the political forum should be locked and all discussion on politics placed off limits. The solution is not to force registration, it is to ban political discussion.
This complaining is spilling over here, onto the technical/computer area. It's one thing to confine jousting to the politics board. But now it's spilling over here. It doesn't belong here. Posters simply cannot get along. The administrator or future mods will be spending all their time refereeing fights. Ban all political discussion. It's the only way.
[/quote] Hence the need to reign in the trolls - so that the honest 'jousting' can continue. I suspect you think it is OK to ban the political discussion because you rarely participate and wouldn't miss it?
Now more than ever we need as many platforms as possible to fend off the misinformation to get back to more civilized debate with less manufactured outrage...
Internet trolls win if you ban discussion.
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Post by picturefreak on May 29, 2018 13:58:15 GMT -5
Solution is to ban intolerance to opposing views
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