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Post by timothyu on Apr 16, 2018 13:55:02 GMT -5
There must be some truth to cause a defensive reaction. My statements are based on 12 years in the former lion's den called a Christianity forum at GB. You yourself stated you left for somewhat the same attitudes. I appreciate that you consider a little discernment here rather than leave to protect your particular faith.
Again I was not making a blanket statement but if my Gospel of the Kingdom statements make anyone uncomfortable in their beliefs might they not be better off questioning themselves why rather than question me? Few do. Defensiveness seems to be the reaction of choice over introspection.
Of course not. You will see I referred to that in statements we are all sinners in the same boat who need to work together in order not to drown. I speak the Gospel of the Kingdom, others speak what they wish, but more often than not condemn or criticize that Gospel or more often me because it interferes with their worldly view. I condemn the worldly view as does God, but I do not condemn those of it so stuck in it they cannot see the Kingdom. We all started out there. I do reject that backwards thinking though and hope they may eventually see the truth behind the Gospel of the Kingdom rather than the truth mankind continually defends.
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Post by RNorm on Apr 16, 2018 14:02:52 GMT -5
LOL, not being defensive at all, unless you call defending the gospel being defensive. Moreover, I would not say the former place's Christianity forums were truly representative of what TRUE CHRISTIANITY is all about. And as you noted, when I realized what those forums were all about; I left, shook the dust off of my feet and never looked back.
LOL, trust me bro, I'm secure in what I believe, because I've done what the Bible says:
"Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to make your calling and election sure, for if you practice these qualities you will never fall." (2 Peter 1:10)
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Post by timothyu on Apr 16, 2018 14:03:48 GMT -5
No it doesn't . That was in reference to the Garden and we were cast out of it, it's entrance blocked to prevent our re-entry.
The whole purpose of the Gospel of the Kingdom is to allow us out of this world we were cast into to learn how our self serving ways effect us and this world, to suffer the consequences of our actions. The Gospel of the Kingdom shows how God has given us the gift of re-entry to the Garden/Kingdom but on His terms, not ours. We indeed could be in contact with God here but there was no way out until the Kingdom. If you do like this world by all means, it's all yours. I've never been too keen on how it has been run by man.
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Post by timothyu on Apr 16, 2018 14:09:22 GMT -5
They no doubt also would have been the first to say you were not representative of what TRUE CHRISTIANITY is all about. And that of course makes either side no better than mankind's ways of political strife. Not of the Kingdom although perhaps of another gospel.
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Post by timothyu on Apr 16, 2018 14:12:30 GMT -5
I'm glad to hear you put the will of God first and love neighbour enemy as self as commanded. That you use your time in the political forums to seek peace/middle ground and mediate rather than take sides.
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Post by RNorm on Apr 16, 2018 14:22:04 GMT -5
Ok, but I'm of the belief that the Garden was on this world. Why, because of the rivers that flowed from there are on earth, and because of the fact that in the creation account, God repeatedly says: "Let the earth..." (See Genesis Chapter 1), meaning that creation activity took place on earth (which is where we now live). Not to mention that all of the animals that were in the garden, who suffered along with mankind after the fall, continue to exist to this day on earth.
My 2 cents.
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Post by timothyu on Apr 16, 2018 14:38:56 GMT -5
The Garden may have been in earth or on this world but the fact remains we lost what position was given to us that required us to follow the will of God. We were 'cast out' into this world and quite possibly because the Adversary rules it, a different world of his own original creation accounting for his fall. Check into ancient Hebrew myths. Two creation stories, two different creations. Our self determined dominion now has simply proved how inadept we are when following our own will. To make any claim we still serve God in that capacity would be self justification of our actions.
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Post by RNorm on Apr 16, 2018 15:06:12 GMT -5
Be that as it may, the truth of the matter is that none of that no longer matters, because the Bible makes it plain and simple:
"Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2 Corinthians 5:17)
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Post by timothyu on Apr 16, 2018 15:18:59 GMT -5
And to be a new man in the Messiah is to no longer hold allegiance to the world of man (which is in fact the Adversary's world) but rather to the Kingdom of God. That means we have changed and no longer self justify the actions of self will using the new creature status as an excuse to carry on in the old ways..
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Post by airfresh on Apr 17, 2018 5:23:59 GMT -5
Have you earned your way to the Kingdom Tim?
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Post by timothyu on Apr 17, 2018 11:51:49 GMT -5
Sorry, don't have administrative access to the Book of Life. Made the change, but it's not up to me.
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Post by airfresh on Apr 17, 2018 14:35:55 GMT -5
So you can try try try to do everything right and spend your life trying to live the way God wants but...never really know. Not very good news I'm afraid. As we've discussed previously living completely outside the box is impossible in this life.
<<< Made the change, but it's not up to me.>>>
How do you now you made the change? Isn't making the change being outside the box?
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Post by gth (Columbus OH) on Apr 17, 2018 15:41:40 GMT -5
And to be a new man in the Messiah is to no longer hold allegiance to the world of man but rather to the Kingdom of God. That means we have changed and no longer self justify the actions of self will using the new creature status as an excuse to carry on in the old ways.. |
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Post by RNorm on Apr 17, 2018 17:40:27 GMT -5
There are people all over the globe doing that. But it appears you would STILL condemn them for some reason or another.
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Post by timothyu on Apr 17, 2018 17:46:19 GMT -5
Of course it is. We don't get to do it by man's traditional way of thinking any more. The Kingdom is a backwards world compared to our own but it is the right one. Don't forget.. this is the Adversary's world here.
We become slaves to the system of this world, living under anti-Christ masters and rules, but are freed by the attitude and life of the Kingdom. The world can control our material life but not our love neighbour/enemy self outlook which serves the world of man no use in it's seek of gain at the expense of others.
If the early slaves, servants, women and the Way could do it, there is no reason we can't. Counter culture, no support of the self serving ideals of man that are the backbone of our society. FOX cable news' worst nightmares.
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